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That's cool but are you sure?
No, not sure. I heard it from a source, but not THE Source, which is why I phrased it as I did. Perhaps someone here can nail it down.
 
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I believe the Silvercore amps are using the same iron that is made for Silbatone...rather rarified iron. Sounds like a fun day regardless.

Silvercore doesn’t have a specific iron. On some new ones he used a nano crystalline transformer. His regular ones are much cheaper. He varies the silver according to budget.

the common thing was just before the pandemic he also built the neohybrid design that Silbatone have. He is good friends with JC and Cheung, and has been to Seoul to listen to the various WEs and you often find him in the WE room at Munich
 
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Silvercore doesn’t have a specific iron. On some new ones he used a nano crystalline transformer. His regular ones are much cheaper. He varies the silver according to budget.

the common thing was just before the pandemic he also built the neohybrid design that Silbatone have. He is good friends with JC and Cheung, and has been to Seoul to listen to the various WEs and you often find him in the WE room at Munich
Their Neohybrid is quite affordable…did you hear it by chance?
 
Their Neohybrid is quite affordable…did you hear it by chance?

yes it was quite good, I heard it with audionec but did not get any compare. It also allows the rolling of various 4v valves so SQ will change accordingly
 
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I´m rather new to the SET world, but with the arrival of O/96 a few month ago came the urge to try low wattage amplification.

I first found a pair of Cary CAD-572 SE and enjoyed the 20W 572-tube, however the 572 turned out to be somewhat unrelaiable and really hard to find so something else had to take its place. Being new to set I am not going for the expensive and exotic amps to start with, so when a couple of Consonance M500 markII was for sale here in Norway I thought this would be a cheap nice way in to the world of 300Bs. Best of all, Leif had a pair of Hørning 300B OPTs for sale, so earlier today I went over to Leifs house and picked them up, together with a couple of chokes. I am planning more upgrades to them, but this will do for a start.

O/96 with Consonance M500 markII with Hørning OPTs and chokes. Cheap recti and driver tubes to be changed. Unknown hours on the TJ Full Music 300Bs.

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Those OPTs will make a HUGE improvement and putting in a good rectifier (see my updates below) might make as big of a difference!! And my upgrade below was from an already good Russian NOS tube.
 
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I’ve loved those OPTs for many years, but when I had the chance to buy a pair of Tommys Litzwired nanocrystalline SATI OPTs, I couldn’t resist. Since then I also aquired his nc interstages, AVCs and gridchokes. The two latter yet to install
 
I’ve loved those OPTs for many years, but when I had the chance to buy a pair of Tommys Litzwired nanocrystalline SATI OPTs, I couldn’t resist. Since then I also aquired his nc interstages, AVCs and gridchokes. The two latter yet to install
The ones in my amp are the nanocrystalline ones.
 
Sounds like i have to take the bridge to the mainland and visit Tommy one day ! :)
 
Not sure if the RCA is really just that much better or if the Russian tube is just worn out (no idea how old or used it is).
I have some experience in using rectifier tubes. Russian and Soviet rectifiers have the worst sound. Even new versus used.
 
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Those OPTs will make a HUGE improvement and putting in a good rectifier (see my updates below) might make as big of a difference!! And my upgrade below was from an already good Russian NOS tube.
Sounds good to me! I mounted the first choke a few days ago, but had to pause the other one for a few days due to work and amp 2 is due next week. The OPTs will be next.

Today I picked up 4 NOS VT-229 (Sylvania JAN HCS and Ken-Rad) driver tubes from one of my local tubeguys. Rectis are next. The Ken-Rads where recommended by Thorsten Loesch for this amp. Exciting times ahead.
 
I have some experience in using rectifier tubes. Russian and Soviet rectifiers have the worst sound. Even new versus used.
You might be surprised that the problem with them is easily measured. Some of the Russian 5AR4s have more in common with a 5Y3. They might have done something to fix that in recent years...
 
You might be surprised that the problem with them is easily measured. Some of the Russian 5AR4s have more in common with a 5Y3. They might have done something to fix that in recent years...
Was using Russian 5U4G equivalent, not 5AR4.
 
Was using Russian 5U4G equivalent, not 5AR4.
Yes- I was only using that example to illustrate an issue with the Russian tubes- they are usually not exact replacements. 5U4s have their own set of issues, being highly dependent on the condition of the filament. I very much doubt that the Russian 5U4 meets actual 5U4 specs either; (as another example to illustrate what I'm talking about) we use a lot of Russian 6H13Cs which are their version of the 6AS7G, but really its a different tube. In our M-60s, a set of the Russian tubes gets us 60 Watts at full power while the American 6AS7G gets us 80 Watts (both into 8 Ohms). That's a bit more difference than just plate resistance to account for that.

Put more simply, if you want actual 5U4 performance, you'll want to put a real 5U4 in the socket, not one that is simply marked that way. Does that make more sense?

If you want to see what's happening, measure the voltage drop of the tube under load.
 
You might be surprised that the problem with them is easily measured. Some of the Russian 5AR4s have more in common with a 5Y3. They might have done something to fix that in recent years...
I don't know which voltmeter or oscilloscope you can hang on your ears, the measurements are the same, but the sound is different.
 
I don't know which voltmeter or oscilloscope you can hang on your ears, the measurements are the same, but the sound is different.
Not the ones I've seen. The Russian variants have greater voltage drops and so respond more dramatically to changes in the AC line voltage. The resulting lower B+ corresponds directly to reduced output power and altered operating point, which alters the distortion of the audio circuit. I can't think of why that would not be audible- harmonics after all are what make up the sound of musical instruments.
 
Same old tune. As @SVS said, our ears tell us different rectifiers can sound different. That’s certainly true in my experience and it’s not just due to voltage drop. I don’t know why there is such resistance on this. Is there any doubt signal tubes that measure the same sound different? Everything matters. But as I have said a number of times, for those who think rectifiers of the same type sound the same, that’s fine, just leave the vintage NOS tubes for the rest of us.
 

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