SET amp owners thread

How did this thread get from frivolous You Tube audio videos to a corpse littered Zu battlefield? Yeah, I'm bored, too.
 
Oh, speaking of video analysis. Brad had sent me the videos before by PM, and that time I had mentioned something about the highs being subdued. Today after hearing his videos I said this sounds much better, what have you changed?

His reply was quite detailed as he had made a free changes, but key was previously his highs were not compensated for a 6db difference and gain was not adjusted for. So you can indeed make stuff out
 
Wow, you guys just don't stop.

I was wondering about the video. Is there something to be had, outside fun. My phone doesn't play them well.

Scale. I think I have scale at times. Then I sit in front of my friends theater 2x15 horn woofers and 12 cell wood horn. I am completely blown over. Oddly, it does some things great. Actually amazing. And others not. His room is also about 28 x 30 and he thinks it should be deeper by 20 feet to really fit the speaker. Then I harken back to scale in my room and really its all that fits in my house. It scales to my situation.

Been working over my amps. Flipping through tubes, footers, speaker placement. It hasn't clicked yet. I'm going to my tech's shop today to measure the cheap alps potentiometer at the swert spot and see about putting a Vishay foil resistor in its place. I also got some
V-Twist Cu24 using NO pigment for the conductors (completely no dye used), with UniCrystal OCC silver wire. I am replacing the old copper braid signal input wire too. Let that settle for a while and see how it sounds then.
 
Bad news for me. A pair of Telefunken e88cca are going bad. My Black Shadow are pretty tube sensitive. I put a fresh pair in and playback is significantly improved.

I have started to feel the differences between PP and SET. In a way I miss some of the PP presentation. They are different and have their own strengths. Just like SET is different and have their own voice.
 
I just think the videos are fun. They complete the arc of the equipment voyeurism.

My recent vids here were also to demonstrate that flea powered amps were more than competently driving these big midrange ribbons that I acquired. That's a paradigm that's hard to swallow without some kind of demo.

Flea powered amps and ribbons have always been things that previously as a matter of faith would never mix. Another shibboleth or psych barrier overturned? Apparently flea powered amps can drive certain ribbons when there is enough high efficiency.
 
I get that. Showing they are pushing a ribbon. I'm sure anything can. Steve with Decware was saying his amp will run a dead short for hours on end. Says it will power anything. Then he modified his statement and said it would only reach a certain volume level, then peter out. In another set of comments he noted the amps will also clip and compress. So sure, I can see 2.5 watts push anything to some volume level. Whether its sonically the best that can come from the speaker is another question.

I have an itch to get a Decware amp and bi-amp my PAP Trio 15. The Black Shadow could do the 15s and the Decware do the horn. Rub for me is blending. I have been reading the recent TAS and the Eikon speakers. They have a dedicated room acoustic processor/active crossover. In the manufacturer comments the maker was noting the difficulty in active crossovers in the Martin Logan and how a passive crossover can blend better. Or so he said. It also rubs me wrong to take a vinyl or tape signal and turn it into digital. I have had people say they will build me a passive bi amping crossover, but its up to me to tell them the cutoff, slope etc. Yea, right. How the heck am I to do that. I bought a mini dsp but I was told I was stupid to think I could figure it out. Without say microphones and software to analyze what I was creating. Not really me.
 
Wow, you guys just don't stop.

I was wondering about the video. Is there something to be had, outside fun. My phone doesn't play them well.

Scale. I think I have scale at times. Then I sit in front of my friends theater 2x15 horn woofers and 12 cell wood horn. I am completely blown over. Oddly, it does some things great. Actually amazing. And others not. His room is also about 28 x 30 and he thinks it should be deeper by 20 feet to really fit the speaker. Then I harken back to scale in my room and really its all that fits in my house. It scales to my situation.

Been working over my amps. Flipping through tubes, footers, speaker placement. It hasn't clicked yet. I'm going to my tech's shop today to measure the cheap alps potentiometer at the swert spot and see about putting a Vishay foil resistor in its place. I also got some
V-Twist Cu24 using NO pigment for the conductors (completely no dye used), with UniCrystal OCC silver wire. I am replacing the old copper braid signal input wire too. Let that settle for a while and see how it sounds then.

Don't play them back through your phone. Use at least a laptop and good headphones...perferrably a good head amp too.
 
I get that. Showing they are pushing a ribbon. I'm sure anything can. Steve with Decware was saying his amp will run a dead short for hours on end. Says it will power anything. Then he modified his statement and said it would only reach a certain volume level, then peter out. In another set of comments he noted the amps will also clip and compress. So sure, I can see 2.5 watts push anything to some volume level. Whether its sonically the best that can come from the speaker is another question.

I have an itch to get a Decware amp and bi-amp my PAP Trio 15. The Black Shadow could do the 15s and the Decware do the horn. Rub for me is blending. I have been reading the recent TAS and the Eikon speakers. They have a dedicated room acoustic processor/active crossover. In the manufacturer comments the maker was noting the difficulty in active crossovers in the Martin Logan and how a passive crossover can blend better. Or so he said. It also rubs me wrong to take a vinyl or tape signal and turn it into digital. I have had people say they will build me a passive bi amping crossover, but its up to me to tell them the cutoff, slope etc. Yea, right. How the heck am I to do that. I bought a mini dsp but I was told I was stupid to think I could figure it out. Without say microphones and software to analyze what I was creating. Not really me.


The way I am doing it is with two low powered amps (11 watt SEP Mastersound Dueundici and 5 watt PP Class A triode WLM Minueta), 2 DACs (Monarchy Audio M24 and Metrum Octave) and a MiniDSP nanodigi that is digital in and out (thus the need for the DACs). By using high quality outboard DACs this digital solution works very very well...at least for digital. Your horn, freed from the passive crossover will sing easily on 2 watts. The Black Shadow is plenty for the woofers that are also now freed from the passive crossover.
 
Sean fully acknowledges that. Happily, not the case.

Will comb filter like crazy... the issue is does it matter at those frequencies? If you consider the wavelength of sound at high frequencies you'll find that any sort of time/phase alignment depends on having your head in a vice and with slight movements you should notice these massive combs. In real life this isn't the case and while the fore/aft movement of a supertweeter can make slight differences your ear/brain mechanism does not interpret comb filtering the same way a mic does above a certain threshold. The truth is, time/phase alignment matters most within a certain frequency range and can be extremely subtle outside of it. Some claim they can hear phase at subwoofer frequencies as well as over 12kHz, but IDK, I'm skeptical... I've actually done testing with measurements of interference patterns to determine how much this actually matters... not saying it applies to everyone though, ear/brain mechanisms can vary...
 
So if I record my system and listen to it on my system, will it destroy space/time as we know it? :eek:

I've never tried recording my system, I have a LG V20, which has a high end DAC and decent camera... not sure about recording quality though...
 
I'd like the midrange to be more forward, warm, and dense. Perhaps the 300Bs need more break in. Or maybe it's the just the nature of the Midas speakers.

That's the opposite of what I want. You should try the takatsuki though with 8 valves too expensive. The EML might be a cheaper option. Definitely don't go for KR or Elrog as they are cleaner sounding and less forward.

Sophia has less control but is airy in the mids which people like for vocals.
 
So if I record my system and listen to it on my system, will it destroy space/time as we know it? :eek:

I've never tried recording my system, I have a LG V20, which has a high end DAC and decent camera... not sure about recording quality though...

Why don't you try? Record it and play it back. Then change something. Listen to it in the recording. When you do, check if your conclusion on recording is same as your conclusion in room.
 
So if I record my system and listen to it on my system, will it destroy space/time as we know it? :eek:

I've never tried recording my system, I have a LG V20, which has a high end DAC and decent camera... not sure about recording quality though...
No, I have done it and we are all still here :D
 
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