Stereophile Recommended Components: 2019 Fall Edition
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Morning Keith,
I can assure you I am neither hip nor do I derive anything from any pot shots. I have mainly given up reading mainstream hifi press myself. I do however enjoy some of Fremer’s online articles and vids though.
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There’s guys out there who can clearly write and some are seemingly great characters as well but just somehow whatever independent and expositional values that used to carry through along with the mixed realities of commercial press just seemed to have eroded so that the commercial content and formula is mostly just left too exposed now. I imagine it’s hard to make online media pay for itself and that must clearly be frustrating for everyone who works in it.
Stereophile's "Recommended Components" feature is 55 years old. It is older than me.
I read it time to time to remember what is out there, see if I miss something new/old and never use it as a guide to buy components.
I respect it even for the fact that some people are carrying this feature after 55 years. This is nearly a tradition now. It has no harm for anybody since we are all wise enough not to have a purchase based on a magazine feature. It's just nice to have it. It is something familiar in this hobby. It's part of our audiophile culture. It has value for that.
I read it time to time to remember what is out there, see if I miss something new/old and never use it as a guide to buy components.
I respect it even for the fact that some people are carrying this feature after 55 years. This is nearly a tradition now. It has no harm for anybody since we are all wise enough not to have a purchase based on a magazine feature. It's just nice to have it. It is something familiar in this hobby. It's part of our audiophile culture. It has value for that.
I actually like the concept of the feature a lot. Would be great if it made more sense though in terms of what appears where and why.
I think you're being overly harsh and dismissive on subjectivity, but I've yet to see an audiophile who understands the term. This type thread (and perfectly embodied quotes above) epitomizing.Actually this list does have a criteria that defines preciselywhat it means by each classification:
E.g. Class A:
“ "Best attainable sound" for a component of its kind, almost without practical considerations; "the least musical compromise." A Class A system is one for which you don't have to make a leap of faith to believe that you're hearing the real thing.
It was a perfect illustration of a load of rubbish I grant you that!
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55 years of tradition is more of an argument to hold it up to the highest values. You shouldn’t need your readers to be asking for something better, you should be leading the way.
Please explain.I think you're being overly harsh and dismissive on subjectivity, but I've yet to see an audiophile who understands the term. This type thread (and perfectly embodied quotes above) epitomizing.
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AJ
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Tao
I'm not an audiophile.
Nor the thread subject (though that switch was inevitable).
If Stereophiles list is "rubbish", then so is every other subjectivists. Withough cognizance of course.
Subjectivity comes in grades. Are you without commercial interest? And if you aren’t an audiophile why are you here? Said with love.
Stereophile’s Recommended component list , is usually being loved by those who see their equipment listed there, and hated by the rest.
The first group is also recognizing Fremer as the ultimate objective reviewer until the moment that they will enter into the second group.
The first group is also recognizing Fremer as the ultimate objective reviewer until the moment that they will enter into the second group.
I think you're being overly harsh and dismissive on subjectivity, but I've yet to see an audiophile who understands the term. This type thread (and perfectly embodied quotes above) epitomizing.
cheers,
No probs - I think I am being perfectly rational as it seems do other WBF members.
Your repetitious attempts to convey that I (and other audiophiles) don’t understand “subjectivity” is frankly absurd. This list is a disorganised and irrelevant pile of nonsensical twaddle imho ymmv. No problem if you think I am harsh - I think I am just calling it out for what it is. As I said, I do enjoy the online writing on Stereophile and vids but hopefully (at least to me) this list is reworked.
What I do find strange is your motive for the need to defend this list?
In the mind of the beholder/audiophile.
My name, signature and your own question about my speakers says otherwise. No ties to Stereophile, lists, or otherwise.
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But of course.
I’d suggest the difference between pure subjectivity and commercial interest mainly lies in the notion of self interest and underlying opportunity. Us poor audiophiles don’t even understand the very basic concepts like subjectivity. We are lucky to have you here to better explain it to us.
The cognizance part is insurmountable, but ok.
Why don't you help them with a "corrected" subjective list of "grades", so they know the error of their subjective ways?
I certainly don't know the definitive answer list, they may not either, if it exists only in minds. Unless it doesn't??
I'm not "defending" the list. There is nothing to "defend"...when one can comprehend subjectivity. YMMV.
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