The Noob Linearity factor
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We have been on a trailblazing acronym roller coaster ride. There was SOD (Suspension Of Disbelief) and then WUOTS (Walk Up On The Stage) … so in fairness to Ked NOOB (Neurologically Opposite Of Bonzo) is (in linear terms) something of a relatively natural progression.
I find all three to be rather clumsy and awkward phrases.
Is Bonzo saying that growth or evolving means change to something different. Or we need to strive to achieve some other persons goal of say, recreating the original event, or live or natural like that is the correct goal and path and others need to follow it. Which goes back to Growth. Why do I have to change my personal pleasures to something someone else likes to be engaged in growth or evolving my system and taste.
As I said unless you figured out everything in your early exposure years, I don't see how not, unless you are one of the lucky few.
If you think from your early hifi shows, or visiting the big dealers in your local area gives you what you want, then fine.
Rex even if Ked had said NEWBY (Not Employing What’s Best Yet) it still was bound to have worked… such is the powerful karma of audio wordsmithery.
If listening to music comes down to a goal of creatimg a sound, then your listening to gear, not music. If your simply listening to music, then use the gear that helps you to be comfortable and happy while immersed in a song.
Does he even have a pair of your speakers??…will wonders never cease…
That would fall under the new category Sound of Tao just invented.
Newby.
Not employed whats best yet
I’m confused… Is this like the kid in middle school who gets turned on to Led Zeppelin, and then “discovers“ Aerosmith, then Metallica, then Red Hot Chili Peppers …….and as a 50 year old middle aged overweight dude living in his mom’s basement, just realized that Muddy Waters invented rock and roll?
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It’s interesting that you identified this as a linear growth pattern Ked… in resource planning linear processes traditionally have an Achilles heel in that linear growth models are ultimately unsustainable due to us often keeping at it till hitting inevitable resource boundaries… audiophile behaviour exemplifies that reality that our desires are infinite and resources finite.
The high end model of vertical sales and exponential upgrades is completely a testament to our old school addiction to linear processes.
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Sorry but my post had nothing to do with that. My post simply was some people form conclusions when they are inexperienced (and lack of experience in the majority cases would lead to some conclusions that could be improved on). And then 20 or more years later they are jus throwing big money after those conclusions formed in their early stage and defending them. Hence linear progression from noob days.
By linear pattern, I mean that, taking my own example, I found B&W floor stander to be better than the standamount that was better than small speaker they used for surround sound. After that, adding their subwoofer to the floor stander further improved sonics. So I conclude that bigger speaker, plus subwoofer, gives me more weight, stage, scale, hence brings me closer to orchestra.
Now, if many years later, I conclude that XVX, Arrrakis, 4 tower something, etc etc with 4 or 6 subs will obviously bring me even closer to the orchestra, that is just me drawing a conclusion using a straight line from my early experience days. Obviously as these are more expensive and bigger, they should be be even better than the B&W plus 1 subwoofer and should be the ultimate. Other such examples are in my opening post.
To be clear up front I have come to value Ked's perspective on audio and recordings. I also believe sometimes he is just provocative for the sake of stirring up an argument.
I'm afraid I don't understand what the debate on this thread is about. We ALL have Ked's NOOB Linearity in our DNA.
We ALL heard something from some kit at some point in our early days & that got us pulled into this bizarre and expensive hobby. Of course progression from there was linear to some extent. Whatever we heard that we liked we built on over time, by exploring more of similar component types: its very logical to want to build better on top of what we have discovered, yes?
FWIW my ah ha moments came at different times from individually hearing original Pye HF12 amplifiers, a Verdier Platine, Quad ELS speakers and early 60's Tannoys. I got into triodes very early. Now, if we stay remotely interested in kit as well as music (Surely we all do or we wouldn't be on this forum) then over time we discover different pieces of kit which change our perspective AS WELL AS add to what we already know. We then build this into our thinking. PeterA is possibly the best (and most extreme?) example of this fresh thinking.
Despite hearing these early speakers early in my journey the building block of my system for the last 23 years has been Avantgarde Trios. Go figure.
What am I saying... aren't each of us in our own way like chefs building our best meal from what ingredients we have?
IMO I think Ked has missed out not having this experience of living with a system and developing. I think Ked is more of a restaurant critic.
I'm afraid I don't understand what the debate on this thread is about. We ALL have Ked's NOOB Linearity in our DNA.
We ALL heard something from some kit at some point in our early days & that got us pulled into this bizarre and expensive hobby. Of course progression from there was linear to some extent. Whatever we heard that we liked we built on over time, by exploring more of similar component types: its very logical to want to build better on top of what we have discovered, yes?
FWIW my ah ha moments came at different times from individually hearing original Pye HF12 amplifiers, a Verdier Platine, Quad ELS speakers and early 60's Tannoys. I got into triodes very early. Now, if we stay remotely interested in kit as well as music (Surely we all do or we wouldn't be on this forum) then over time we discover different pieces of kit which change our perspective AS WELL AS add to what we already know. We then build this into our thinking. PeterA is possibly the best (and most extreme?) example of this fresh thinking.
Despite hearing these early speakers early in my journey the building block of my system for the last 23 years has been Avantgarde Trios. Go figure.
What am I saying... aren't each of us in our own way like chefs building our best meal from what ingredients we have?
IMO I think Ked has missed out not having this experience of living with a system and developing. I think Ked is more of a restaurant critic.
To be clear up front I have come to value Ked's perspective on audio and recordings. I also believe sometimes he is just provocative for the sake of stirring up an argument.
I'm afraid I don't understand what the debate on this thread is about. We ALL have Ked's NOOB Linearity in our DNA.
We ALL heard something from some kit at some point in our early days & that got us pulled into this bizarre and expensive hobby. Of course progression from there was linear to some extent. Whatever we heard that we liked we built on over time, by exploring more of similar component types: its very logical to want to build better on top of what we have discovered, yes?
FWIW my ah ha moments came at different times from individually hearing original Pye HF12 amplifiers, a Verdier Platine, Quad ELS speakers and early 60's Tannoys. I got into triodes very early. Now, if we stay remotely interested in kit as well as music (Surely we all do or we wouldn't be on this forum) then over time we discover different pieces of kit which change our perspective AS WELL AS add to what we already know. We then build this into our thinking. PeterA is possibly the best (and most extreme?) example of this fresh thinking.
Despite hearing these early speakers early in my journey the building block of my system for the last 23 years has been Avantgarde Trios. Go figure.
What am I saying... aren't each of us in our own way like chefs building our best meal from what ingredients we have?
IMO I think Ked has missed out not having this experience of living with a system and developing. I think Ked is more of a restaurant critic.
I really don't see why you need to progress only with ingredients in the house and not go out to buy new ingredients. As an Indian, I see many Indians forever going out to eat Indian food only, no matter how far the restaurant from authentic Indian and bad, and cooking Indian at home, because that’s what they grew up with. They are being NL
I began to experiment with cuisines immediately when I landed in London, and outside am always eating varied cuisines. At home I mainly follow the Mediterranean style on a staple basis. If I want Indian food in London, I go to a Sri Lankan or Pakistani restaurant as they make it more the authentic style. When I was in Dubai I ate a lot of Indian, because the Indian there unlike the US or the UK, is briiliant.
There is an increase in the number of audiophiles breaking their linear progression. That is a good thing.
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Bonzo,
How does one escape the linear progression?
Why are most components very noisy?
Are Fone recordings any good?
Is Bernstein the Goat?
Do you like field coil onions?
Kindest regards,G.
How does one escape the linear progression?
Why are most components very noisy?
Are Fone recordings any good?
Is Bernstein the Goat?
Do you like field coil onions?
Kindest regards,G.
I think you are over complicating things. Most people, who are here, are quite experienced and have had exposure to different types of speakers and electronics like boxes and horns and sets, but there are many other factors in play here that prevent them / us from changing direction. Lack of space or lack of money or wife and kids etc, or simply lack of access to a certain brand or product.
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