Thomas Mayer/Elrog tubes - especially 211s and Molybdenum Plate 211s

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No Ked, I was single for plenty of other more disreputable reasons than spending too much on audio.
 

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The Western Electric 242s also glowed in operation and I am sure the AN Moly tubes do as well.

In Munich The left tubes in the amp were the ER888 drivers which run at much less current and plate dissipation than the output tube on the right (ER284). Hence no glow in the driver

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I am referring to both 284s. The one on the right box was glowing more than the one in the left. Not by much, but it was there.

To be fair, I have seen the same happen in other metal plates.
 
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Justin, my 1948 GEs are holding up. One joy of this hobby, is looking at these tubes that have been to Hell and back many times in their 7 decades of life. And STILL going strong as I assault their sensibilities w the world's most unfashionable music. And every day they play ball.

Why would I dump them for new production tubes? I can't come up w any compelling reasons just yet.
 

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Justin, my 1948 GEs are holding up. One joy of this hobby, is looking at these tubes that have been to Hell and back many times in their 7 decades of life. And STILL going strong as I assault their sensibilities w the world's most unfashionable music. And every day they play ball.

Why would I dump them for new production tubes? I can't come up w any compelling reasons just yet.

I detect a good degree of insecurity over this issue LOL. After all, why raise the thread and then say that?

GEs are OK. Til you have a quad of Amperex;) But maybe molys are even better...!!!

A real shame you can't home dem a quad.
 

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Justin, I'm just curious. Window shopping is still allowed on this forum, yes?

And actually, because of lack of home demo, only 3 months warranty, a 500 mile round trip and charge to get them biased, AND my emotional connection to all things old and distinguished (especially me, and 1948 tubes), pulling the trigger on a not insubstantial £2k purchase has more caveats than usual.

Indeed, I can't point to any major SQ shortcomings my existing 211s present. Good to know there is new production when mine eventually fail.

I'm hoping 70 years becomes a centenary.
 

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The Amperex is just wayyy better than GE, RCA, psvane or KR. Haven't compared with Elrog 211
 

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But you can't find a pair easily, let alone a quad. And if you get lucky on the search, you're unlucky on the pricetag. Matched/balanced quads? Dream on.

FWIW Ked, Dejan voiced the Nats w GEs.

Hence the opportunity of these Pvsanes and Mayer Elrogs.

For me, this would be a "take a punt" type decision.
 

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So, incentivize Justin to come over with his quads
 

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Ked, you're saying Amperex 211s beat Pvsane Molybdenum 211s? These specific ones marketed by AN UK? Or are you comparing to "stock" Pvsanes?
 

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A (very) reliable source informed me that the regular Elrog 211 valves (so not the Molys; have no info on those and would love to try them out on my Kagura’s) in combination with Kondo amps (in particular the Kagura’s) cannot compete with the top quality nos tubes like Amperex and United Electronics. No idea though how the Elrog or Psvane Molys would perform.
 

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You mean the older Elrog 211s can't compare? Or the newer Mayer Elrog 211s? Ignore the Mayer Elrog 211 Molys re this statement.
 

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Ked, you're saying Amperex 211s beat Pvsane Molybdenum 211s? These specific ones marketed by AN UK? Or are you comparing to "stock" Pvsanes?

Stock
 

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The KR was better than the stock psvane. The GE and RCA were better than the KR but I wouldn't worry too much about having one or the other. The "better" is minute.

The amperex is like eye popping wow better over them. Now that Justin has moved to Luxman...
 
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Well, that's really not a suprise. There seem to be some reports floating around the Pvsane Molys reverse that trend. What's the chance of a Pvsane Moly v Mayer Elrog 211 v Mayer Elrog Moly v NOS eg Amerex, GE, UE etc?
 

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Well, that's really not a suprise. There seem to be some reports floating around the Pvsane Molys reverse that trend. What's the chance of a Pvsane Moly v Mayer Elrog 211 v Mayer Elrog Moly v NOS eg Amerex, GE, UE etc?

Zero.
 

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Helpful. Put alongside Vyger v AS v AF0, or MSB Select 2 v Wadax Reference dac non threads.
 

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Amperex pair currently for sale on Ebay. No quads.
 

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