According to who? Lance? Greg get the book, read what a creep Lance was and then discuss what went on.
US Anti-Doping Agency charges Armstrong
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Bias a bit there Myles , what! did lance trash PFO, sell his logans for magico ...
Its Ali-baba and the forty reprobates , funny and ironic you find Hamilton a hero .
lol..!!
Its Ali-baba and the forty reprobates , funny and ironic you find Hamilton a hero .
lol..!!
My point is all those cyclist did not have to work for Lance. George Hincapie was highly coveted by teams who wanted to win the one day races. Th Spanish mountain climbers could ride for anybody. All this" Lance made me do it" is nonsense. I'll take your silence in defense of Tyler Hamilton. as an admission. They all rode the Lance gravy train.
Where did I say that?
Gravy train? He got rich by lying, not to mention stiffing and screwing team mates. No where would Lance be without his Sugar Daddy?
Where does Hamilton say that in his book? In fact, Hamilton says just the opposite.
And Lance rode the coat tails of his billionaire buddy. Before that financially, he was no where.
Lance was a fraud and that's what happens to con men.
Tyler Hamilton was so ashamed he decided to pick up a few bucks from a book.
It is of course possible for Lance and Tyler to be liars.
If his book is available or becomes so at the local library I will read it. Or perhaps you will lend m your copy. You can understand my reluctance to pay for it
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Lance may have been a free loader at one time. Eventually everyone got rich in a way that only an American champion can cause.
P.S. Hamilton took Lance down for one reason. No one was interested in his own saga. Remember he had already been caught.
This goes deep Mr Myles, you seem to enjoy this personally , I'm willing to wager a girlfriend , c'mon buddy fessup , lance was riding more than his bike , huh..?
-- Steve mentioned this earlier today, and I was kind of surprised to learn of it.
---- http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2013/01/20/jj_abrams_secures_movie_rights_to_lanc
But then, only in America. ...Well, pretty much exclusively (capitalist society to the extreme).
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And I did ask if Lance would be benefiting (financially) from the proceeds.
* Is this another Lance's trick? ...What is wrong with our societies? ...With the human race?
---- http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2013/01/20/jj_abrams_secures_movie_rights_to_lanc
But then, only in America. ...Well, pretty much exclusively (capitalist society to the extreme).
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And I did ask if Lance would be benefiting (financially) from the proceeds.
* Is this another Lance's trick? ...What is wrong with our societies? ...With the human race?
Armstrong is a cancer survivor, who went on to achieve in a sport full of dopers, in a sport where whole teams were excluded from the tour for Doping and with only one nut sack i may add , Ironic how he's being pursued by those with powder on the nose and weed at home ...
Anyway this is all about distracting and for a good reason, able to silence gadaffy and Hugo Chavez when they asked for their gold back, now the Germans...?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49540593/The_...for_Their_Gold
More distracting TV fodder will be necessary for the plebs, whats next Armstrong with Aliens .......
Michael Vick survived, so will Armstrong ....
Anyway this is all about distracting and for a good reason, able to silence gadaffy and Hugo Chavez when they asked for their gold back, now the Germans...?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49540593/The_...for_Their_Gold
More distracting TV fodder will be necessary for the plebs, whats next Armstrong with Aliens .......
Michael Vick survived, so will Armstrong ....
I forgot to post this one; ...from few days ago.
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---- http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/19/lance-armstrong-cycling
* Read it! ...It's short anyway.
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---- http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/19/lance-armstrong-cycling
* Read it! ...It's short anyway.
Cycling agrees to amnesty for doping confessions
By ROB HARRIS, AP
LONDON — Cyclists will be offered a chance to confess to past doping offenses without fear of retribution in an attempt to uncover the full scale of the Lance Armstrong scandal and drug use in the sport.
The UCI agreed Friday to introduce a "truth and reconciliation" commission with the World Anti-Doping Agency, cutting out the independent panel established to investigate the governing body's links to Armstrong.
UCI President Pat McQuaid said he wants to ensure cycling has "drawn a line in the sand finally — and for the last time" on doping scandals that have tarnished the credibility of the sport.
Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles and banned for life from Olympic sports following a report by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that portrayed him as a longtime user of performance-enhancing drugs.
After years of denials, Armstrong admitted to doping in an interview last week with Oprah Winfrey.
"The truth and reconciliation process is the best way that we can examine the culture of doping in cycling in the past, and can clear the air so that cycling can move forward," McQuaid said after a stormy hearing by the panel investigating his body.
The UCI's reputation has been badly damaged by accusations its leaders covered up suspicious doping tests given by Armstrong during his 1999-2005 run of Tour de France victories and improperly accepted donations from him totaling $125,000.
The independent commission formed to establish the veracity of those claims clashed at Friday's hearing with the UCI's lawyer over two key demands it has made — broaden the investigation into Armstrong's role as the ringleader of an elaborate doping scheme on the U.S. Postal Service team and begin an amnesty program of its own to ensure witnesses come forward.
The UCI rebuffed their proposals by insisting it would be too costly to fund wide-scale investigations, and the three-person panel will meet again on Thursday to discuss whether to proceed.
And McQuaid said since the independent commission was established, "several of our stakeholders have said they won't take part in it. Not just USADA and WADA but others, national federations."
The UCI said it would update the independent panel on the talks planned this weekend with WADA President John Fahey about the amnesty commission.
McQuaid first revealed he was considering such an amnesty program to The Associated Press in September, but said Friday the plans were only finalized in recent days.
"WADA have indicated that they would share costs with the UCI," McQuaid said. "The WADA code is being reviewed and an amnesty is under discussion within that review. But we're just bringing that aspect forward."
But British judge Philip Otton, who heads the independent panel, accused the UCI of trying to use the delay in the truth and reconciliation process as "an excuse to kick the USADA allegations into the long grass."
Now the UCI is effectively asking the panel it established to suspend itself. It had been scheduled to hold full hearings in April and report by June.
UCI lawyer Ian Mill said the "entire process has been derailed" because the panel is demanding a "truth and reconciliation" process of its own and a widening of its role into the wider doping scandal.
"Getting to the bottom and determining how the USPS team operated without detection or sanction in a reasonable timescale ... causes us considerable anxiety," Mill said.
"We can do something which we understand you don't want to do ... a limited inquiry taking place in April," he added.
In a heated exchange at the Law Society in London, Mill told the panel: "We're not trying to kill this inquiry. We set you up."
"Please do not raise your voice," Otton interjected.
"We are not the bad guys here," Mill said. "We have a finite amount of money available to us ... we are not like a football body."
McQuaid later said delaying the hearing was not designed to help his own re-election prospects in September, insisting: "I have nothing to worry about."
The panel fears that the process is stalled and complained about a lack of full disclosure by the UCI.
"It just amazes me that we have had absolutely no documents whatsoever," former British Paralympian Tanni Grey-Thompson said to the UCI's lawyer. "When are we going to get the ... files?"
By ROB HARRIS, AP
LONDON — Cyclists will be offered a chance to confess to past doping offenses without fear of retribution in an attempt to uncover the full scale of the Lance Armstrong scandal and drug use in the sport.
The UCI agreed Friday to introduce a "truth and reconciliation" commission with the World Anti-Doping Agency, cutting out the independent panel established to investigate the governing body's links to Armstrong.
UCI President Pat McQuaid said he wants to ensure cycling has "drawn a line in the sand finally — and for the last time" on doping scandals that have tarnished the credibility of the sport.
Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles and banned for life from Olympic sports following a report by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that portrayed him as a longtime user of performance-enhancing drugs.
After years of denials, Armstrong admitted to doping in an interview last week with Oprah Winfrey.
"The truth and reconciliation process is the best way that we can examine the culture of doping in cycling in the past, and can clear the air so that cycling can move forward," McQuaid said after a stormy hearing by the panel investigating his body.
The UCI's reputation has been badly damaged by accusations its leaders covered up suspicious doping tests given by Armstrong during his 1999-2005 run of Tour de France victories and improperly accepted donations from him totaling $125,000.
The independent commission formed to establish the veracity of those claims clashed at Friday's hearing with the UCI's lawyer over two key demands it has made — broaden the investigation into Armstrong's role as the ringleader of an elaborate doping scheme on the U.S. Postal Service team and begin an amnesty program of its own to ensure witnesses come forward.
The UCI rebuffed their proposals by insisting it would be too costly to fund wide-scale investigations, and the three-person panel will meet again on Thursday to discuss whether to proceed.
And McQuaid said since the independent commission was established, "several of our stakeholders have said they won't take part in it. Not just USADA and WADA but others, national federations."
The UCI said it would update the independent panel on the talks planned this weekend with WADA President John Fahey about the amnesty commission.
McQuaid first revealed he was considering such an amnesty program to The Associated Press in September, but said Friday the plans were only finalized in recent days.
"WADA have indicated that they would share costs with the UCI," McQuaid said. "The WADA code is being reviewed and an amnesty is under discussion within that review. But we're just bringing that aspect forward."
But British judge Philip Otton, who heads the independent panel, accused the UCI of trying to use the delay in the truth and reconciliation process as "an excuse to kick the USADA allegations into the long grass."
Now the UCI is effectively asking the panel it established to suspend itself. It had been scheduled to hold full hearings in April and report by June.
UCI lawyer Ian Mill said the "entire process has been derailed" because the panel is demanding a "truth and reconciliation" process of its own and a widening of its role into the wider doping scandal.
"Getting to the bottom and determining how the USPS team operated without detection or sanction in a reasonable timescale ... causes us considerable anxiety," Mill said.
"We can do something which we understand you don't want to do ... a limited inquiry taking place in April," he added.
In a heated exchange at the Law Society in London, Mill told the panel: "We're not trying to kill this inquiry. We set you up."
"Please do not raise your voice," Otton interjected.
"We are not the bad guys here," Mill said. "We have a finite amount of money available to us ... we are not like a football body."
McQuaid later said delaying the hearing was not designed to help his own re-election prospects in September, insisting: "I have nothing to worry about."
The panel fears that the process is stalled and complained about a lack of full disclosure by the UCI.
"It just amazes me that we have had absolutely no documents whatsoever," former British Paralympian Tanni Grey-Thompson said to the UCI's lawyer. "When are we going to get the ... files?"
-- I don't know 'bout that, because that would seriously jeopardize many organisations directly related to the sport of cycling, I think.
There is more too, but I'm not sure we, as a society, can handle and accept it ....
There is more too, but I'm not sure we, as a society, can handle and accept it ....
What Lance doesn't want to reveal because it would crush the UCI and eliminate cycling from the Olympics.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/usada-tygart-uci-helped-lance-dope-article-1.1249221
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/usada-tygart-uci-helped-lance-dope-article-1.1249221
I was a LA fan and I have to agree this is the most damaging aspect IMO regarding Lance; he destroyed others careers while doing the very same thing as them
This could be forgiven if he was clean, hopefully one day the exact details will be released regarding what doping process Lance did, I always thought traditional blood transfusion was a given (this was so widespread it was even common to Olympians), but curious if EPO was just early or all way through career.
Anyway LA behaviour is now inexcusable IMO.
What really saddens me though is Hincapie
That is a real kick in the nuts for cycling IMO as he is a great guy and never one who doped to win for himself IMO; if he is affected I think it is fair to consider the problem was/is pretty widespread.
Now what I find interesting is that in all of this what has never been covered, if LA managed to evade detection for so long then what purpose is there to WADA as I am sure there are many other sport people able to do the same thing.
Too much focus on cycling and not other sports such as tennis, athletics, gymnastics,etc.
Personally I feel WADA has as much to explain as UCI, because their process seems flawed to me, and it is only cycling that brings this subject out IMO.
Cheers
Orb
I was a LA fan and I have to agree this is the most damaging aspect IMO regarding Lance; he destroyed others careers while doing the very same thing as them
This could be forgiven if he was clean, hopefully one day the exact details will be released regarding what doping process Lance did, I always thought traditional blood transfusion was a given (this was so widespread it was even common to Olympians), but curious if EPO was just early or all way through career.
Anyway LA behaviour is now inexcusable IMO.
What really saddens me though is Hincapie
That is a real kick in the nuts for cycling IMO as he is a great guy and never one who doped to win for himself IMO; if he is affected I think it is fair to consider the problem was/is pretty widespread.
Now what I find interesting is that in all of this what has never been covered, if LA managed to evade detection for so long then what purpose is there to WADA as I am sure there are many other sport people able to do the same thing.
Too much focus on cycling and not other sports such as tennis, athletics, gymnastics,etc.
Personally I feel WADA has as much to explain as UCI, because their process seems flawed to me, and it is only cycling that brings this subject out IMO.
Cheers
Orb
And Andy Hampstein quit because of the doping.
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