I know that. That’s why I’ve written “On some rare occasions, like the one you both referring to, sound in his room is recorded by someone professional by a video camera.”
Please read the second paragraph of my prior post.
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Please read the second paragraph of my prior post.
Ok. The discussion started here of the video being referred to. We are referring to av specific instance where he said his non phono video is representative and forum members argued it wasn’t
Post in thread 'Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings'
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...ly-coupled-audio-recordings.28325/post-862346
I know it very well, both the discussion and the video. I also know his recordings he shared over analogplanet page over the years. As I said before;
1. He is recording from direct output of phono to Lynx Hilo 96kHz/24bit
2. On some occasions, as well as the one you and @Mike Lavigne are addressing, the video that people are debating, the video that you linked in your prior post, sound of the room is recorded.
Which means the sound of his system through his speakers not direct output from phono.
I thought I clearly stated it in the first post that he usually record direct output of phono but not on this one you’re debating. This is an in room recording. And I posted it to point out he is recording other videos using Lynx Hilo in case you’re wondering. But apparently I couldn’t explain it well. It’s probably due to English being a foreign language to me.
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I visited @audioquattr last week and listened to the Cessaro system featured in this thread.
After listening to a variety of tracks, @audioquattr stopped playing and looked at me. My impulsive reaction was to tell him that this is the best system I've ever heard. And then I smiled and said - I want those people who think that horns are "shouty" or "plastic" sounding to come and listen to this system (and witness their reaction).
I haven't really thought about how to describe the sound, and I won't even try to. Some of the system character maybe comes across Ked's videos (especially when I've heard it in the room, my brain extracts more out of these videos), but the experience of sitting in the middle seat and listening is mind blowing. I expected to hear an extraordinary level of lifelike realism, crazy dynamics, and all the good stuff that well designed and implemented horns do. And all that was there in spades. What really impressed/surprised me was the coherency and bass.
It's really hard to make a big multi-way horn speaker system as coherent as a single driver / crossover-less speaker. I've had both in my room side by side and really appreciate the coherency of a single driver speaker. And I am not saying that the Cessaro system is there on the same level. But it's more coherent than most multi-driver speakers (horn, open baffle, conventional, etc.) I've listened to.
For me the most impressive and unexpected experience was the bass. I have been following this system (before I had a chance to even know who @audioquattr was) for some time. And I remember seeing the big front loaded horn subs on the front wall at some point. And then they disappeared. I assumed they were gone. But when I visited I was pleasantly surprised to learn that they were integrated into the side walls. It's kind of a near-field bass in the listening position, and so you hear a lot of direct bass first, way before any room reflections kick in. What's quite interesting is that you see these massive horn subs, but your brain does not hear anything coming out of them (I guess this is what perfect integration and time alignment does). In fact, I had to get up and put my ear close to the horns to make sure they were on.
A lot of effort has gone into bass integration. That system goes down to 15Hz, and I have not been able to hear any bass related room problems. It's in no doubt the best bass I have heard!
Could I pick areas I felt were not the best I have heard? Yes, I could. There is no perfect system. But overall this is the best system I have listened to so far, obviously based on my personal preferences/likings.
And BTW, I am not one of those ignorant people who thinks the speakers are the entire system. Obviously, I am judging the entire system, and everything matters - power, room, components, cables, etc. It's an excellent built system and real pleasure to listen to. I could have easily spent the rest of the time of my trip just sitting in that room and listening to music
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@audioquattr - thank you for the hospitality and for giving me a chance to enjoy your system.
After listening to a variety of tracks, @audioquattr stopped playing and looked at me. My impulsive reaction was to tell him that this is the best system I've ever heard. And then I smiled and said - I want those people who think that horns are "shouty" or "plastic" sounding to come and listen to this system (and witness their reaction).
I haven't really thought about how to describe the sound, and I won't even try to. Some of the system character maybe comes across Ked's videos (especially when I've heard it in the room, my brain extracts more out of these videos), but the experience of sitting in the middle seat and listening is mind blowing. I expected to hear an extraordinary level of lifelike realism, crazy dynamics, and all the good stuff that well designed and implemented horns do. And all that was there in spades. What really impressed/surprised me was the coherency and bass.
It's really hard to make a big multi-way horn speaker system as coherent as a single driver / crossover-less speaker. I've had both in my room side by side and really appreciate the coherency of a single driver speaker. And I am not saying that the Cessaro system is there on the same level. But it's more coherent than most multi-driver speakers (horn, open baffle, conventional, etc.) I've listened to.
For me the most impressive and unexpected experience was the bass. I have been following this system (before I had a chance to even know who @audioquattr was) for some time. And I remember seeing the big front loaded horn subs on the front wall at some point. And then they disappeared. I assumed they were gone. But when I visited I was pleasantly surprised to learn that they were integrated into the side walls. It's kind of a near-field bass in the listening position, and so you hear a lot of direct bass first, way before any room reflections kick in. What's quite interesting is that you see these massive horn subs, but your brain does not hear anything coming out of them (I guess this is what perfect integration and time alignment does). In fact, I had to get up and put my ear close to the horns to make sure they were on.
A lot of effort has gone into bass integration. That system goes down to 15Hz, and I have not been able to hear any bass related room problems. It's in no doubt the best bass I have heard!
Could I pick areas I felt were not the best I have heard? Yes, I could. There is no perfect system. But overall this is the best system I have listened to so far, obviously based on my personal preferences/likings.
And BTW, I am not one of those ignorant people who thinks the speakers are the entire system. Obviously, I am judging the entire system, and everything matters - power, room, components, cables, etc. It's an excellent built system and real pleasure to listen to. I could have easily spent the rest of the time of my trip just sitting in that room and listening to music
.@audioquattr - thank you for the hospitality and for giving me a chance to enjoy your system.
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@nenon It was great meeting you Vassil and thank you for the kind words!
Beautiful system. The FLHs are hidden how exactly in the side walls...are they the 2 white side walls? or the upper part of each wall. Very cool!I visited @audioquattr last week and listened to the Cessaro system featured in this thread.
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After listening to a variety of tracks, @audioquattr stopped playing and looked at me. My impulsive reaction was to tell him that this is the best system I've ever heard. And then I smiled and said - I want those people who think that horns are "shouty" or "plastic" sounding to come and listen to this system (and witness their reaction).
I haven't really thought about how to describe the sound, and I won't even try to. Some of the system character maybe comes across Ked's videos (especially when I've heard it in the room, my brain extracts more out of these videos), but the experience of sitting in the middle seat and listening is mind blowing. I expected to hear an extraordinary level of lifelike realism, crazy dynamics, and all the good stuff that well designed and implemented horns do. And all that was there in spades. What really impressed/surprised me was the coherency and bass.
It's really hard to make a big multi-way horn speaker system as coherent as a single driver / crossover-less speaker. I've had both in my room side by side and really appreciate the coherency of a single driver speaker. And I am not saying that the Cessaro system is there on the same level. But it's more coherent than most multi-driver speakers (horn, open baffle, conventional, etc.) I've listened to.
For me the most impressive and unexpected experience was the bass. I have been following this system (before I had a chance to even know who @audioquattr was) for some time. And I remember seeing the big front loaded horn subs on the front wall at some point. And then they disappeared. I assumed they were gone. But when I visited I was pleasantly surprised to learn that they were integrated into the side walls. It's kind of a near-field bass in the listening position, and so you hear a lot of direct bass first, way before any room reflections kick in. What's quite interesting is that you see these massive horn subs, but your brain does not hear anything coming out of them (I guess this is what perfect integration and time alignment does). In fact, I had to get up and put my ear close to the horns to make sure they were on.
A lot of effort has gone into bass integration. That system goes down to 15Hz, and I have not been able to hear any bass related room problems. It's in no doubt the best bass I have heard!
Could I pick areas I felt were not the best I have heard? Yes, I could. There is no perfect system. But overall this is the best system I have listened to so far, obviously based on my personal preferences/likings.
And BTW, I am not one of those ignorant people who thinks the speakers are the entire system. Obviously, I am judging the entire system, and everything matters - power, room, components, cables, etc. It's an excellent built system and real pleasure to listen to. I could have easily spent the rest of the time of my trip just sitting in that room and listening to music
@audioquattr - thank you for the hospitality and for giving me a chance to enjoy your system.
Also, while I have not heard the Elysium...I know how highly Ricardo Franassovici thinks of them from Absolute Sounds UK. He is the importer and clearly places them in a very special class.