Devore orangutans are not meant for digital and bad recordings people. And have to be matched carefully to amps which the three of you wouldn’t know about
Visit to Todd (sbnx) Avantgarde Trio G3 in Parker, Texas
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Devore orangutans are not meant for digital and bad recordings people. And have to be matched carefully to amps which the three of you wouldn’t know about
A coloured speaker that requires a coloured amplifier as the antidote? As I said, from the “as you like it” school of sound reproduction. Nothing wrong with that in what is a purely subjective preoccupation, but never to be confused with high fidelity reproduction.
Bonzo if the devores / AN UK measured the same in the room you heard them then you can scrap the " zero distortion" title of your blog .
" Devore fidelity "
" Devore fidelity "
You can easily get good measurement by putting disparate drivers together and putting in a digital crossover to align them. I am sure you personally wouldn’t hear the difference.
also, in future try to be more honest with your postings by letting people read JA’s full thoughts, as well as Art Dudley’s if you are extracting something convenient to make your argument
DeVore Fidelity Orangutan O/96 loudspeaker Measurements
Sidebar 3: Measurements I used DRA Labs' MLSSA system and a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone to measure the DeVore Fidelity Orangutan O/96's frequency response in the farfield, and an Earthworks QTC-40 for the nearfield and spatially averaged room responses.
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But in order to achieve the performance of Trios, you don't need to spend $250K to get better than Duos, There is another option that I would call it "Trio Lite", which consists of trios and two REL subwoofers instead of Spacehorns, and it puts you at the border of $100K ($91k+$9k), and as Trio owners like @marslo experienced, this combination is completely superior to the Mezzo and it's only about $20K more expensive than the Mezzo G3 and you can add Spacehorns in the future and then use those REL subs to cover below 30Hz, which you did with the WB subs.
However, personally, if I don't want to spend more than $80K, I will most likely choose the Mezzo G3, but I don't think it is easy to ignore that upper-bass horn in the trio, which is the main key to the superiority of the Trios over the Duos.
Kedar's lack of interest in Duos reminds me of Romy, who knows and cares about AG brand only for its trios in his forum and doesn't like duos and other 2-way horns at all, but interestingly, Romy's first speakers before his trios were Duos, Also, he very much hates single-drive back loaded horns like Pnoe even more than Duos.
i like single driver, two ways, three ways and four (speaking of horns) The more you listen the more exceptions or specific examples you can find.
A hilarious post for the ages.
Unfortunately it's not quite a joke since I know that you are at least half-serious about it.
Can we please drop the Rock'em Sock'em Robots about box speakers and Devores, and return to Todd's system and Avantgardes?
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Thanks for that explanation - it corresponds very much with my experience with Duo XD speakers.
My tweeters are 35" above the floor and my ears height is about 38", but I have no concerns about this as it's best to keep the mid horn not far from ear level, so my 38" works well. Therefore I avoid the need for tilting. I changed spikes for IsoAcoustic Gaia I feet and this significantly improved detail and clarity within the bass range.
Yes, toe-in should be directly towards the listening position, plus or minus a few degrees and this precise angle is important to experiment with. However at Shows, this precise setting up goes out of the window because the intention is to offer "good" listening to dozens of listening positions, whereas in the home, one is looking for "exceptional" listening at a single position. At Shows it is better to reduce toe in to achieve this and to improve visitors' initial reaction to their looks.
Whatever Ked may say about the Unos and Duos, it's nonsense and should be ignored by potential purchasers (and current owners) of these great speakers. They are consistently reviewed favourably with the possible exception the HFN review of the understandably poorly-received Primo. In fact it was the 2000 Stereophile review of the Uno that convinced me they'd offer a massive increase in listener pleasure compared with my earlier ATC 50 Actives. Stereophile went on to choose the Uno as their Speaker of the Year - and rightly so at its price point. I've since moved to Duos circa 2006 and more recently Duo XDs, but sadly AG representation in the UK is dreadful at present so I've had no opportunity to hear the new GT model yet.
Todd, can you post a video of your system playing this song, which a fellow WBF member with a great SET/horns based system posted:
Please share a full length video of your system that showcases the level of refinement that you have been able to achieve with your components and meticulous set up procedure.
I listened to the brief clips in Ron’s interview video but I wasn’t able to appreciate the achievement that you and others speak of. I’m looking for an inspiration for future developments and judging from reports by others and the tone of your responses on your last few postings, it appears that you have achieved something special and I would like to hear it, even if it is just over videos. Videos do convey the quality of the system as demonstrated by the video posted above.
Please share a full length video of your system that showcases the level of refinement that you have been able to achieve with your components and meticulous set up procedure.
I listened to the brief clips in Ron’s interview video but I wasn’t able to appreciate the achievement that you and others speak of. I’m looking for an inspiration for future developments and judging from reports by others and the tone of your responses on your last few postings, it appears that you have achieved something special and I would like to hear it, even if it is just over videos. Videos do convey the quality of the system as demonstrated by the video posted above.
Its very colored with bad timbre , it will sound good to you as the coloration it has add body to string instruments , your high class imagination and memory recall takes over and Bam you are off to the races ..
That is one of the features of direction horns such as Avantgarde and the reason they have a small sweet spot and need very careful setting up. This can't be ideally achieved at Shows for the reasons I've already suggested, so the exhibitor has to compromise by setting up in such a way that all seats get "good" sound but none gets the "exceptional" sound that we would expect at home.
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Surely a waste of effort if we have to listen to a Youtube video, recorded by a less-than-perfect microphone and we access it via our grotty PCs? Even if we have speakers better than Trios to play this video on, we are unlikely to appreciate how good (or bad) the Trios are.
I don’t think that it’s a waste of time at all. Not only do I have a number great sounding systems and their quality is readily discernible over videos. Furthermore I posted another member’s video as an example that video convey the general qualities of the system. Surely a great sounding system will sound accordingly over videos. If you don’t believe this, then how do you explain the many great sounding system videos?
