Past performance?
It doesn't last though. You can go through cache as quickly as quarters at a slot machine.
It doesn't last though. You can go through cache as quickly as quarters at a slot machine.
What do we expect at the show?
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IMO manufacturers attend the Audio shows in first place to establish partnerships with new distributors and resellers... I am not sure they all focus on the exhibition to impress the audience.
I'm not so sure that established manufacturer's are shielded IF they develop a pattern of poor performance. The other point here is what Jack brought up, what is gained by the manufacturer attending the show? Are they able to secure enough sales at, or indirectly from, the show to make it all worth while?
Perhaps I can ask UK Paul this question ( or any other manufacturer who cares to answer)...not only did he have to fly in from the UK...BUT he had to display his goods and attend three or more days at the event. Was this a worthwhile endeavor for you Paul?
Davey, Hi, just back to the UK and seen this thread this morning, some valid points raised here..
Some thought's from my point of view:
Any manufacturer cannot afford to demonstrate sub par sound, or bad sound. Sadly all shows do have a percentage of this, room acoustics being potentially contributory, but this can be planned for, i.e. choose room carefully. If the brand is established, their reputation can absorb probably some untypical demo's, but only so many. For new and less well established brands trying to compete in this very highly competitive market, the first impressions are critical to success, from an SQ point and visually, but also integrity and 'earnestness' is being studied. Potential customers need to know that the company has a solid background and will (bar catastrophe) be around for many years ahead. This is why it can be a slow start, maybe 3-5 years to get a new brand's product accepted before solid returns can be expected. For me, I believe that all my products offer something of an option for buyers to consider, be it cabling that competes very well against the extreme cost brands, (i.e the IC's used in our room were under $750 1m pair, speaker cable was $1250 pair) or the Mirage support system that offers both technical isolation and damping combined with hand crafted aesthetics in equal measures - after all, the last thing the high end market needed was another industrial looking support, so consideration on the visual appeal was a high priority with this piece.
For Z:Axis Audio, was the show worthwhile? Hard to say! Long term is how I view this, and I would say that being associated with established brands such as Concert Fidelity and TAD is a big help, I would not do these shows otherwise, it would simply not be worthwhile. Having these brands keen to use my products is wonderful too! But, although gaining orders direct from a show is fantastic, it is really the acceptance in the marketplace that I am working on, for I believe that the products have something to offer. However, this COSTS!! I could have had taken my family on a luxury holiday for two weeks in the Maldives and had spare cash towards a new My Sonics Labs Ultra Eminent cartridge that I am now lusting over since the show
.It's a good discussion here, within the industry there is a shift of support for these shows, and it looks like all eyes are on Munich now.
Rgds,
Paul.
Paul, thank you for the reply.
I have noticed that some companies are not into the 'show' thing. For example, Linn are seemingly absent from almost all shows these days. I suppose that other they are a) well enough established that they do not need the exposure or b) unwilling to go through the expense and time based on the return in business.
I wonder IF the current 'show' format will in fact be short lived- or perhaps we will see a contraction of the number of shows, leaving just one or two 'BIG' ones.
I have noticed that some companies are not into the 'show' thing. For example, Linn are seemingly absent from almost all shows these days. I suppose that other they are a) well enough established that they do not need the exposure or b) unwilling to go through the expense and time based on the return in business.
I wonder IF the current 'show' format will in fact be short lived- or perhaps we will see a contraction of the number of shows, leaving just one or two 'BIG' ones.
I would imagine it is both of the above Davey, they probably feel that they have done their bit ;-)
My feeling is that shows are in transition, saying that wasn't the exhibitor count at Newport Beach higher than normal? CES I think is losing ground though.. (for high end luxury goods that is).
Out of interest, has any visitor either directly or as a result of a great demo and subsequent follow up purchased components from a show such as NB?
My feeling is that shows are in transition, saying that wasn't the exhibitor count at Newport Beach higher than normal? CES I think is losing ground though.. (for high end luxury goods that is).
Out of interest, has any visitor either directly or as a result of a great demo and subsequent follow up purchased components from a show such as NB?
Does it count if I intended to purchase speakers from the company, but won a pair of them in a raffle instead?
I'm attending RMAF this year specifically to look for potential gear.
Hey lucky YOU! Id buy up raffle tickets galore at RMAF then
Seriously, this is good to hear from an exhibitors standpoint, and I hear Rocky Mountain may be the better show for room acoustics?
Seriously, this is good to hear from an exhibitors standpoint, and I hear Rocky Mountain may be the better show for room acoustics?
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
I would have never known about Doshi Audio if not for a RMAF show about 3yr. ago. I saw that he was using an outboard tape pre and after talking to him and listening to the unit, I had to have a couple!
garylkoh
WBF Technical Expert (Speakers & Audio Equipment)
I heard the rumour at Newport that the entire MBL Extreme system - including all cables, electronics and tape machine was sold to a Microsoftee.
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
Craig from Definitive brought him there to audition the system. I met him and he seems like a cool guy. Told me about all his toys.
Hey lucky YOU! Id buy up raffle tickets galore at RMAF then
Seriously, this is good to hear from an exhibitors standpoint, and I hear Rocky Mountain may be the better show for room acoustics?
Not only in terms of room acoustics (which while still not great do seem to be better) but for the show goer I think the overall experience at RAMF is better. JMO, of course.
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
That sale would definitely make it a worthwhile show....I guess we are going to see a lot more of the MBL Extremes at shows, LOL
Fantastic result for MBL NA and was it Greg Baron from here that was sharing partner? I guess he will need a decent support for all his new kit now ;-)
It is this sort of clientele the industry needs to attract, certainly in the UK there are many wealthy individuals, but very few have anything more than a Sonos type installation, and many sadly not into music enough to warrant any better.
It is this sort of clientele the industry needs to attract, certainly in the UK there are many wealthy individuals, but very few have anything more than a Sonos type installation, and many sadly not into music enough to warrant any better.
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
That's interesting. The previous show I thought he was demo'ing with AVM and the Berlina speakers.
Unfortunately, this show I thought the big MBL's and the UHA wasn't that great at all! A somewhat diffuse sound that had no real meat on the bones, IMO. Surprising considering the
source and the speakers. Again, IMHO, a small miracle given the sound- that someone would want to spend much money on a system like that...never mind $600K!
Frankly, I thought UK Paul's system was far far superior sounding at a fraction of the price ( albeit a fairly large fraction
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