Check!Yep, agreed. Wisdom and high end audio...not natural partners.
Imagine claiming you've bought wisely Lol.
Check!Yep, agreed. Wisdom and high end audio...not natural partners.
Imagine claiming you've bought wisely Lol.
wisdom be stuffed...
Could this also read Tim as digital recording doesn’t capture sound because sound can be disingenuous and music is not?
But is your philosophy to reproduce music sound
I think we have a consensus to stipulate that anyone who comments on this topic further on is unwise
I’m not sure... I am usually asking myself also. Zero hubris....and basted.
Isn't it the other way around? Whether captured or not, sound is sound - logically independent of experience it can be neither disingenuous or genuous (<- a made up word). Whether music is is left to the listener, though it might be ingenious.
Which raises the question what makes sound music? Is it fair to say I make sound music? (Yes, two meanings, I know. Not in the sense of 'valid' but creation or at least cognition.)
Music is music. Sound can also be music.
Music for me is when I am not aware of the sound.
No, on the contrary. IMHO there are still many interesting things to be said on the main subject of this thread.
Al this is the best way that I can put it... I am not analysing the sound or the music, I am listening to the music and just not aware of the sound... this implies separation. When I’m listening to the music there is no sense of separation.I suppose you mean not aware of analyzing the quality of the sound reproduction.
If you are not aware of the sound you are not aware of any music.
fair enough, got full of myself and carried away. meant no offense.
Tao was hitting on what I think is the most important topic if your measuring digital and vinyl. It's what really is natural and real. One of rhe members at Audionirvana was doing a deep 4 part dive on a Pass Preamp. His first pages was just finding what is natural. He talked of spending days at an orchestra with a mentor explaining what to listen for, what to feel for. What is "live". He then realized his stereo was tunes for "hifi". Not "live".
In bet most people tune for hifi. I would contend my digital is a little more hifi and my vinyl is a little more live. Simply focusing on what live really is and building out your digital with isolstion, cables, power etc that emulate a live sound, may help shift your digital from a hifi sound and more to live sound.
FWIW. If you find the thread, I tried Ching Cheng cables. They were not right for me. But I don't know that $5000 cables are either. 4 of my cables are a nice hook up wire with a decent female socket at my equipment. Instead of a male plug going into a receptacle at my wall I use a cord grip and bring the cable into a box where it is split bolted and taped to the branch circuit wires from my house. I measure 0mv of potential between the neutral and ground at my preamp and .12mv at my amps. Thats pretty darn good. When I started at my friend Eds place, he had up to 70mv inside his panel. God only knows what was going on at his rack. His main panel is now 0. His sub panel was 30mv. Its 45 feet from his main panel. Its copper #4. Even the ground is #4. Since I last measured he added new ground rods and took his ground rod resistance from 40 or 50 ohms to 1/2 an ohm. That may have dropped his neutral to ground resistance even lower at his sub panel.
My point is, what are you doing to get the foundation of your system set up in such a way thay it is stable. Stable so that you have a base to start from and "tune" your system to a "live or natural" sound. Do you even know what that is. The goal isn't a comparison of vinyl to digital. Its tuning your equipmemt to reproduce a sound you like. Which many here say is recreation of a live venue or studio performance. Have you spent time with your server and dac placing them on different racks. Different footers. Different power cables. Different digital cables. Your digital may be able to close the gap on "live" more than you think if you focus on what that really sounds like and work towards it.
Im poor so I have to use what I can. I hear a big difference between the footers I use under my server and phono preamp. I have tried all sorts of iterations and these are the best. A bead and corian on vinyl and insulation on corian for digital. Just making the point about listening and turning to what you hear.
Sound originates from a singer or instrument in a real space. When we listen to a recording, the system can present an image of the singer or instrument. We can localize that and we start to describe a system’s imaging and sound staging capabilities. I think of that as distinct and separate from the launch of that energy or sound out into space. We hear the hall fill with sound at a live concert. A successful audio system fills up a listening room with energy, just as a cello energizes a live hall.
I heard this energy from one singer or one cello at both the edge of the stage during rehearsals and from the director's box in the back of the great Vienna State Opera during the evening performances. Less successful audio systems simply present the image and stage and sound as something distant or remote, as if one is observing it rather than being enveloped by the sound or energy of the voice or instrument.
Peter
The wisest ones are saying very little Marc...
Great to see members of your family practice social distancing Mike. At your age, just can't let your guard down. Please be careful of guests visiting you. It is not even close to finish of first wave over there. We keep you company on wbf and you don't need to wear a mask talking to me.the only thing i really appreciate, their company this afternoon for an hour or two (between protest marches). we will practice social distancing. i'm over it completely on a personal level, but my kids are concerned for my wife and i due to our age. and they are more listening to different views on that than we are.
you choose your battles. i try to avoid anything even slightly political with my kids.
The sin perhaps is to have music and a system and still not enjoy it because we’re worrying about all the things that could be and so not enjoying the things as they are.Well, that puts wisdom back in it's box.
Pride next.
There was a reason that was classed a sin.
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