Sounds like crosstalk, try adjusting azimuthPerhaps. I've heard it on LP, where the sound of the neighboring groove slightly leaks through. Can cartridge alignment do anything about it? But analog tape might have the same problem. The tape is wound on top of itself, which means the magnetic information could transfer. I've never heard it on digital recordings before, and I don't see how the digital process could cause the effect. This was definitely an analog recording originally, and this digital sound file was converted from tape or LP. I don't hear any pops or scratches, but they could have been edited out.
I'll rotate my Mac mini and see what happens!Sounds like crosstalk, try adjusting azimuth![]()
It’s most probably a tape print through as @Audiohertz2 mentioned. Tapes are stored as tails out. It means a print through will be a pre echo rather than a post echo which is more annoying.This is an old mono recording that I've been listening to on Apple Music. Interestingly, I hear a clear pre-echo like you get with vinyl. Could this have been transfered from vinyl to digital? It sounds really good to me. I just noticed the pre-echo during a short silence.
I mean if your turntable is playing with a "pre-echo"I'll rotate my Mac mini and see what happens!
That's an interesting thought. I always assumed the pre-echo was caused by the formation of the adjacent groove, which means there should be both pre echo and post echo on parts of the recording, since there is a pre and post groove directly adjacent most of the time. I found some posts on other forums that suggested the cutting of the groove distorts the adjacent grooves enough for a small amount of sound to leak through. The cartridge azimuth could potentially effect hearing one more than the other, I suppose, especially if the upper part of the groove closer to the record's surface gets more of the effect than down deeper in the groove.I mean if your turntable is playing with a "pre-echo"![]()
That's good to know. Somehow I had never noticed it before except on LP, where it can be quite pronounced, and may be because of the groove cutting effect. If it was both print through and "groove through" you'd think you'd hear two pre-echoes, because they wouldn't be at the same time. Anybody ever heard that? If not, it's probably just tape print through. I've never confirmed that I could hear a post echo on LP.It’s most probably a tape print through as @Audiohertz2 mentioned. Tapes are stored as tails out. It means a print through will be a pre echo rather than a post echo which is more annoying.
I heard pre echo due to tape print through on many AAD cds.
Tape print through is hard to notice on vinyl because of the surface noise and being low in level. On the other side pre echo due to loud adjacent groove is more prominent but it is possible to hear both pre echoes on vinyl.That's good to know. Somehow I had never noticed it before except on LP, where it can be quite pronounced, and may be because of the groove cutting effect. If it was both print through and "groove through" you'd think you'd hear two pre-echoes, because they wouldn't be at the same time. Anybody ever heard that? If not, it's probably just tape print through. I've never confirmed that I could hear a post echo on LP.
Digitally this could be relatively easy to largely eliminate by superimposing and timing the pre-echo against the recording but out of phase. Might be easier said than done, but it should work since it's not random noise. Heck, it could even be done analog!
It seems a little faster than that, more like 1 second. You can hear it at about 56 seconds on the Youtube video, the quick flute scale after the silence.If it is ~2 seconds off (60/33.3) then it is the neighbouring groove.
This is why Direct Metal cuts have some appeal… especially when the groves are close together
There is some plowing happening during the cut that is deforming adjacent to the cut and pushing over to the next groove.
Maybe that “tape print through” causal mechanism has some merit.It seems a little faster than that, more like 1 second. You can hear it at about 56 seconds on the Youtube video, the quick flute scale after the silence.
Sounds like he is describing Tape print thru..