Why your audio might be bad - and there is nothing you can do

[dcathro]

 

[spiritofmusic]

Does he mention how bad audio is for your bank account and social skills?

 

[InfigoAudio]

It's a bit of a clickbait title but he certainly got a point there.
The source is a big source of trouble for many tracks...
It's why I usually like the 'non hits' on popular albums better than the ones destined to be a hit.

Cheers, Hans.

 

[bonzo75]

Does he mention how bad audio is for your bank account and social skills?

social skills improve. You are interacting with difficult members trying to communicate abstract attributes in simple terms, also, erm, trying to understand their point of view, empathising, and giving a well thought out constructive reply. Also making them feel good. All this should help social skills

 

[spiritofmusic]

As usual Ked, you *could* be kidding about...

 

[andromedaaudio]

I listened for 10 min i skipped the last 5 , i couldn t take the complaining anymore

I think a large part of the problem these days is 65 year olds who are retired and have to much time on their hands so they start a YT channel to " enlighten " the young

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Too annoying after only 30 seconds.....................

 

[Ron Resnick]

Too annoying after only 30 seconds.....................

+1

I heard a water hose spray of dogmatic views.

 

[PeterA]

An annoying video perhaps, but it is an interesting question for sure. Some recordings have great dynamics and range, and yet they can sound so different from system to system.

 

[andromedaaudio]

An annoying video perhaps, but it is an interesting question for sure. Some recordings have great dynamics and range, and yet they can sound so different from system to system.

Surely different .
Which i can tell even without listening to the system
Several members here ( i wont mention names lol) have systems which are 10 db down at 1O-12 khz

 

[jazdoc]

+1

I heard a water hose spray of dogmatic views.

Thank goodness WBF is a dogma free zone

 

[Kal Rubinson]

An annoying video perhaps, but it is an interesting question for sure.

If you say so.

 

[PeterA]

If you say so.

I'll rephrase my comment for you Kal.

I find it to be an interesting question for sure.

 

[Ron Resnick]

yet they can sound so different from system to system.

The reason for this is discussed in Post #14 of https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...what-is-best-on-this-forum.35345/#post-818597

In summary: Even though we are all hearing substantially the same thing in the concert hall, because audio reproduction components are imperfect (we don’t achieve 100% suspension of disbelief) each of us chooses components that re-create those particular attributes of sound we hear in the concert hall which subjectively maximize our personal suspension of disbelief. This is why our different stereo systems sound so different.

 

[Argonaut]

Several members here ( i wont mention names lol) have systems which are 10 db down at 1O-12 khz

Why ever not … Surely this would be merely your opinion based on your online audio playback system in combination with your own hearing acumen and your own opinion … I don’t see anything wrong in that , and for my part would be quite interested in your considerations !

 

[PeterA]

The reason for this is discussed in Post #14 of https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...what-is-best-on-this-forum.35345/#post-818597

In summary: Even though we are all hearing substantially the same thing in the concert hall, because audio reproduction components are imperfect (we don’t achieve 100% suspension of disbelief) each of us chooses components that re-create those particular attributes of sound we hear in the concert hall which subjectively maximize our personal suspension of disbelief. This is why our different stereo systems sound so different.

Ron, I think we are discussing two completely different things. I am saying that the same recording sounds different on different systems with different gear in different rooms. You are saying that systems sound different because people choose them according to their preferences. These are two different topics.

I want to know why a recording that I know is very dynamic is presented differently with different levels of dynamics when played over different systems with different equipment in different rooms. My question has nothing to do with peoples’ preferences and what you call “suspension of disbelief” and all that stuff in concert halls.

 

[Ron Resnick]

I am saying that the same recording sounds different on different systems with different gear in different rooms.

I understand.

You are saying that systems sound different because people choose them according to their preferences. These are two different topics.

At base they are the same topic. My reply answers this question as well. (The concert hall discussion makes the explanation a bit simpler because we can all agree on that reference as an actual live acoustic performance. But the exact same principles apply to the resulting dispersion in the sound of our stereo systems if we are starting with the same recording.)

 

[Ron Resnick]

I want to know why a recording that I know is very dynamic is presented differently with different levels of dynamics when played over different systems with different equipment in different rooms.

I'm a bit confused why this is even a question. Certain speakers and speaker topologies reproduce dynamics and energy and liveliness differently than other speakers and speaker topologies. Different amplifiers drive different speakers differently (more or less oomph, slam, impact, energy, speed). Isn't this elementary stuff?

 

[PeterA]

I'm a bit confused why this is even a question. Certain speakers and speaker topologies reproduce dynamics and energy and liveliness differently than other speakers and speaker topologies. Different amplifiers drive different speakers differently (more or less oomph, slam, impact, energy, speed). Isn't this elementary stuff?

The question asked in the title of the video is, “Why our audio is bad”. That is an interesting question to me. It is not as simple as different speaker types and matching amplifiers. What about placement in the room? Dynamics seems an easier subject than tone and nuance and resolution. Now consider turntables and tonearms and racks and cables. Do you really think this is elementary stuff?

 

[Ron Resnick]

The question asked in the title of the video is, “Why our audio is bad”. That is an interesting question to me. It is not as simple as different speaker types and matching amplifiers. What about placement in the room? Dynamics seems an easier subject than tone and nuance and resolution. Now consider turntables and tonearms and racks and cables. Do you really think this is elementary stuff?

Regarding dynamics I believe that most of the dispersion among (different sounding) high-end systems can be explained by loudspeakers and amplification (and, of course, room size).

I agree that if you bring into the analysis every component, and stands and cables, to try to cover the entire universe of variables and influences on dynamics, then the analysis is no longer elementary.