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unfortunately you don't know what you're talking about, the contacts here are three-blades silver-plated bronze that you can only dream of in modern productions. ceramic is essential for this type of preamplifier because the tubes used absorb 5 Ampere of filament each (they absorb much more than a kt170 tube), this preamplifier is unique, it is a device that works in current. Dissanayake who has 60 years of experience has seen every production and construction in the field of tubes applied to audio reproduction.
Just so you know, telling anyone on any website they 'don't know what they are talking about' is a violation of site rules as it is abusive. You might want to avoid such comments on any website in the future.

But in this case, I actually do know what I'm talking about. I have a similar level of experience in the same area. Everything I said about dielectrics and tin alloy is correct. Now if you run a 5Amp filament current (like what you see in a 6336, and that was not mentioned prior...) then you have no option but to run a ceramic socket since the contacts of most plastic or Bakelite sockets don't handle that kind of current so well. A socket used in this application should have cooling holes surrounding it and be mounted directly to a metal chassis to move as much heat away from the tube as possible as a 5Amp filament in an octal tube runs very hot!

I don't know of too many octal base tubes that require that much filament current. The 6336 is an obvious standout, but I hate to think that tube is being used in a product any time in the last 30 years since it was rare and expensive 30 years ago and is more so today- a failure in such a tube puts the owner on a journey to find a suitable replacement. If a 6336 really is being used a pair of 6AS7Gs can do the same job for far less cost, no need of a ceramic socket and are very easy to find.
 
Just so you know, telling anyone on any website they 'don't know what they are talking about' is a violation of site rules as it is abusive. You might want to avoid such comments on any website in the future.
I am saddened that you are nervous, but my words were a response to what you wrote in reply; if the manufacturer had used, as you loudly claimed, tin for that plinth or plastic everything would have liquefied, ergo you don't know what you were talking about in reference to my post!
Conversely if you are talking in general... please don't quote me...

unfortunately that's not a 6336 but you came close.
Dissanayake has a huge stock of valves, so rest assured that no one is without tubes... Anyway, 6336s are not that rare, the problem is knowing how to use them...

you are an Industry Expert, i would like to know what you build and what is your brand? i have no other feelings but simple curiosity
 
If a 6336 really is being used a pair of 6AS7Gs can do the same job for far less cost, no need of a ceramic socket and are very easy to find.
unfortunately you continue to write inaccuracies, you cannot replace a 6336 with two 6AS7Gs because even if electrically it can be done but at the level of sonic performance it would be a disaster! you are very superficial in your statements, the tubes have been checked at the microscopic level and have profound differences that affect the final listening performance! the 6336 have a graphite anode, while the more modest 6AS7Gs are made of metal like the 6080, you cannot use two 6AS7Gs in place of the 6336!!! In addition, always for the 6336 not all brands sound the same, there is a special one (FSE-FF) that has the graphite anode formed by several pieces glued together compared to the normal production with the anode in a single piece of graphite, this peculiarity heavily affects the final performance!
But the most interesting thing is that this preamplifier does not use the 6336, but another double triode with extraordinarily high performance and a gold grid...
 
I am saddened that you are nervous, but my words were a response to what you wrote in reply; if the manufacturer had used, as you loudly claimed, tin for that plinth or plastic everything would have liquefied, ergo you don't know what you were talking about in reference to my post!
Conversely if you are talking in general... please don't quote me...

unfortunately that's not a 6336 but you came close.
Dissanayake has a huge stock of valves, so rest assured that no one is without tubes... Anyway, 6336s are not that rare, the problem is knowing how to use them...

you are an Industry Expert, i would like to know what you build and what is your brand? i have no other feelings but simple curiosity
You are mistaken, I'm not nervous at all. And I know when I'm being gaslighted. You happen to be talking to someone with decades of experience with high power triodes with low plate resistance and high transconductance.

There are variants of the 6336 which are even more rare! If I 'came close' my point is made.

We've had an internal design rule we call the Twenty Year Rule, which basically says that the equipment's reliability issues should be defined by electrolytic capacitor life, some of which might fail after 20 years. To that end, everything else in the product must be rated to last long beyond that (so we use military derating rules) so the product will require no service other than tube replacement. When designing with tubes, this means the tube should be in production since finding an out of production tube that was also not in production 20 years earlier is going to be a lot harder.

6336s and their brethren have been out of production since sometime in the 1970s. Actually building a commercial product based on a tube that long gone is saddling the customer with a problem.

Having been in business as long as we have, this design rule has served us very well. We've seen plenty of competitors go out of business or drop the product when they could no longer find the tubes, leaving the customer in the lurch with no support.

unfortunately you continue to write inaccuracies, you cannot replace a 6336 with two 6AS7Gs because even if electrically it can be done but at the level of sonic performance it would be a disaster! you are very superficial in your statements, the tubes have been checked at the microscopic level and have profound differences that affect the final listening performance! the 6336 have a graphite anode, while the more modest 6AS7Gs are made of metal like the 6080, you cannot use two 6AS7Gs in place of the 6336!!! In addition, always for the 6336 not all brands sound the same, there is a special one (FSE-FF) that has the graphite anode formed by several pieces glued together compared to the normal production with the anode in a single piece of graphite, this peculiarity heavily affects the final performance!
But the most interesting thing is that this preamplifier does not use the 6336, but another double triode with extraordinarily high performance and a gold grid...
We studied the use of 6336s long ago (Atma-Sphere has been in business over 47 years) and yes, they most certainly can be replaced by dual 6AS7s with no sonic downside whatsoever and with far greater reliability. We built prototypes using that tube as the idea of a powerful OTL using only 4 power tubes per channel was highly attractive. We also built prototypes using the 7241 and production amps using the 6C33. Most of our OTLs use the 6AS7G since we could get the same power by simply doubling the number of tubes at less than 1/8th the cost of the 6336 including the extra sockets (which didn't have to be ceramic) and the labor to assemble point-to-point by hand. We actually use a 6AS7G variant made in Russia (6H13C) or China (6N13PJ) which are plentiful and thus easy for the customer to replace. 6336s and their variants are rare and expensive if you can even find them.

One of the problems we encountered with the 6336 is if it fails, one failure mode was a hard internal short. When this happens the tube can pass a surprising amount of current! This would have required a fuse for each tube section! 6AS7s by contrast usually blow out links in the base of the tube, offering much greater protection. We tried to solve this with a protection relay for the 6336; a failure promptly welded the relay contacts- so much for that idea...

So given the cost of the tube, the requirement for a good quality ceramic socket (non-Chinese, since Chinese sockets often have less reliable silver plated contacts), extra heat considerations and what happens if the tube fails, we stayed with the 6AS7s which are far less problematic in all regards. Back in the 1970s and 80s, OTLs had a bad reputation for reliability so we were keenly aware that we had to make an amp that was as reliable as possible and 6336s would have been a seriously Bad Move. It took 15 years to convince the industry that we had created the world's first really reliable OTL. Part of that is when a tube fails, it doesn't mean the amp has to be shipped anywhere; just replace the tube and possibly a fuse. If we had stuck with 6336s we'd have gone decades ago.

Please stop gaslighting me.
 
We've had an internal design rule we call the Twenty Year Rule, which basically says that the equipment's reliability issues should be defined by electrolytic capacitor life, some of which might fail after 20 years. To that end, everything else in the product must be rated to last long beyond that (so we use military derating rules) so the product will require no service other than tube replacement. When designing with tubes, this means the tube should be in production since finding an out of production tube that was also not in production 20 years earlier is going to be a lot harder.
Unfortunately, this design does not have any electrolytics in it, it cannot break. Unfortunately, its predecessors that have been in full operation for more than 30 years, by many enthusiast owners, have never been damaged, of course the valves are not eternal. As I have already written, you cannot change the 6336s with the 6AS7s without obvious problems, they has already been tried many years ago, even using quite a few of them, but the result has always been very bad (in terms of sound result). Tubes are different in terms of hardware/structure. performance changes considerably, you can't just read the instruction manual or factory specificationsand and think about changing the valves and obtaining appreciable results, It takes years of experimentation to get that unique pattern that works best with certain types of tubes, so don't tell others what they should do!
then of course you can use more than one model of tube, changing the final result, then there are special tubes that elevate the performance even more. the preamplifier so designed is eternal, it will last much longer than its future owner and what will come after and after that. in their productions there are no printed circuit boards or PCBs of any kind, (they degrade the sound), but these are things that more or less everyone knows...
 
Unfortunately, this design does not have any electrolytics in it, it cannot break. Unfortunately, its predecessors that have been in full operation for more than 30 years, by many enthusiast owners, have never been damaged, of course the valves are not eternal. As I have already written, you cannot change the 6336s with the 6AS7s without obvious problems, they has already been tried many years ago, even using quite a few of them, but the result has always been very bad (in terms of sound result). Tubes are different in terms of hardware/structure. performance changes considerably, you can't just read the instruction manual or factory specificationsand and think about changing the valves and obtaining appreciable results, It takes years of experimentation to get that unique pattern that works best with certain types of tubes, so don't tell others what they should do!
then of course you can use more than one model of tube, changing the final result, then there are special tubes that elevate the performance even more. the preamplifier so designed is eternal, it will last much longer than its future owner and what will come after and after that. in their productions there are no printed circuit boards or PCBs of any kind, (they degrade the sound), but these are things that more or less everyone knows...
It sounds like you mean 'Fortunately' rather than 'Unfortunately'.

Whoever told you that you can't get a pair of 6AS7Gs to do the same as a single 6336 didn't know what they were talking about. My guess is whoever did the testing didn't understand how to use the tubes. This was and is very easy to demonstrate. Again, please desist with the gaslighting.
 
As said, I have received my preamp last week and I have used it intensively, with more and more pleasure. It was definitely worth the wait! IMG_4110.jpg
 

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It sounds like you mean 'Fortunately' rather than 'Unfortunately'.
interesting your MP-1 preamplifier!
I like the idea of not using output capacitors, then other solutions that are not always the same as those found in commercial productions!
 
Can you tell us something about this innovative solution?
Yes. The first patent is the use of a servo to control DC offsets at the output of a Circlotron circuit. The second patent involves reduction of noise in the power supplies since they are connected, along with the output devices, directly to the output terminals. The latter involves a proprietary power transformer.

The Circlotron output allows the use of much smaller capacitor values in the line stage, since they are only needed between the Voltage amplifier and the Circlotron output buffer, the latter of which has a high input impedance. So even with 0.1uf coupling caps, the output bandwidth goes down to 1 Hz. This allows the output impedance to be a ruler flat line across the audio band with no phase shift at 20Hz, even if driving a 600 Ohm load. The remaining circuits (Voltage amplifier and phono section) are all composed of differential amplifier circuits with constant current sources so the CMRR ratio is quite high as well as noise rejection from the power supplies, which are all regulated. The circuit is zero feedback, but if the tubes drift or weaken the RIAA EQ remains constant. The switching and volume control system are all balanced. For remote control of the volume, the custom built stepped switch we use to build the volume control is belt driven by a motor.

The MP-1 was the first balanced line tube preamp ever made. It was the first balanced line preamp to be in common production; we started with it in 1989.
 
unfortunately you don't know what you're talking about, the contacts here are three-blades silver-plated bronze that you can only dream of in modern productions. ceramic is essential for this type of preamplifier because the tubes used absorb 5 Ampere of filament each (they absorb much more than a kt170 tube), this preamplifier is unique, it is a device that works in current. Dissanayake who has 60 years of experience has seen every production and construction in the field of tubes applied to audio reproduction.
That first statement drew blood.
 

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