This Corona Virus Mania is Just Too Much, We All Need to Chill!

[bonzo75]

It is just sad people are trying to defend their vote when the guys f-ed up so bad with loads of data available from Asia, and with advice from within their own country. Inability to move from governments is surpassed only by a reluctance to admit our vote was wrong

 

[PeterA]

It is just sad people are trying to defend their vote when the guys f-ed up so bad with loads of data available from Asia, and with advice from within their own country. Inability to move from governments is surpassed only by a reluctance to admit our vote was wrong

One cannot conclude a past decision was wrong without first concluding the alternative decision would have been better.

 

[Lagonda]

One cannot conclude a past decision was wrong without first concluding the alternative decision would have been better.

I have always been more than a little nervous about the way the American governing system is set up. For a democracy, to much power and responsibility lays on one mans shoulders, no matter what political party he comes from.

 

[dminches]

One cannot conclude a past decision was wrong without first concluding the alternative decision would have been better.

I can conclude that acting faster to shutting things down would have been better and would have saved lives. Ramping up testing capabilities would have been better. YMMV.

 

[Barry2013]

As Steve pointed out, this is not a medical forum, and inappropriate and incorrect posts about a vaccine timeline display incredible ignorance. There have been links put up here which indicate that regardless of multiple vaccines beginning tests, no one has a good idea yet of what these proposed vaccines are supposed to do. So the Phase I tests beginning now are solely for the purpose of determining safety and to elucidate what (if any) immune response is generated by the vaccine. Whether or not that response will be protective in any way is totally unknown, and until it is testing can't even proceed to Phase II, much less Phase III, FDA approval and then production.

Not quite
As I posted earlier the team at the University of Oxford have publicly stated that they are 80% sure that the vaccine they are working on, and have been working on since mid January, will work. Human trials are planned within the next two weeks with the aim of it being available for use by this September

 

[bonzo75]

One cannot conclude a past decision was wrong without first concluding the alternative decision would have been better.

The alternative decisions and consequences are available in other countries.

 

[rando]

For approximately the last three weeks I've been monitoring Covid in South Africa. I feel this video from a press conference ending a little over and hour ago is notable enough to share here. It primarily focuses on the Health Minister and Dr Abdool Karim who's marked response is worthy of praise. The most important points directly note exponential growth is unavoidable. Because any new medical drug is not possible in a time frame we can hold this at bay.

Please turn down your volume to accommodate the movement of microphones in the opening moments. Below the video I've placed time markers with an explanation of their significance for those who don't have the over two hours I spent watching this live.

• 21:40 - Comparison with UK in first two weeks.
• 22:51 - Stopping infection before exponential growth occurs
• 24:22 - Testing: SA's exponential growth in tests, not infections.
• 29:54 - Slides are finally shown and overview is provided of their interpretation.
• 36:12 - Presentation continues with community transmission.
• 44:05 - Why exponential growth of infection is unavoidable
• 50:07 - +28,000 workers screening poorest neighborhoods removing early cases/investigating contact/sanitizing.
• 52:40 - Synopsis of entire plan including removal and re-institution of lockdowns.
• 1:08:00 - Mortality rate among NY minorities, lockdown continuing until at least end of September for elderly, etc.

 

[PeterA]

I can conclude that acting faster to shutting things down would have been better and would have saved lives. Ramping up testing capabilities would have been better. YMMV.

Yes perhaps, but that has little to do with what Bonzo was asserting unless all judgment about one’s past decision is based on a very narrow set of criteria. I do not think it is that simple, and I am looking at it differently and using different criteria. But I don’t want to get it into it here given the TOS.

 

[PeterA]

The alternative decisions and consequences are available in other countries.

That is not it all what I’m talking about and if you don’t get that I don’t want to violate the TOS nor is this related to your previous post. You have now just changed the subject by changing the timeline by three years.

 

[Ron Resnick]

I have always been more than a little nervous about the way the American governing system is set up. For a democracy, to much power and responsibility lays on one mans shoulders, no matter what political party he comes from.

As a student of American political science, and as a result of what I saw while working on Capitol Hill, I am personally very comfortable with the way the U.S. Constitution structures and distributes power among the branches of the federal government, and between the federal government and the state governments.

Respectfully, I cannot help but wonder if this post reflects a completely innocent misunderstanding of the way the U.S. Constitution divides power among three branches, and reserves non-enumerated powers to the states?

 

[Steve Williams]

Folsom, i am regretfully forced to wear underwear, if not my knees get chafed.

When they said wear masks Lagonda said “all depends”

 

[Steve Williams]

I'm with Bill on this ...........

https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...t-the-chinas-coronavirus/#.XpJzIZo9YZg.mailto

I saw that yesterday and thought how nice that someone who is a big opponent to our leader gave credit where credit is due

 

[Barry2013]

I think it is fair to say that pretty well all the Western developed countries, including the UK, were slow to react and were not prepared when Covid 19 struck. Why is a very interesting question but proably best answered when things calm down.
Germany seems to have dealt with it well largely because of the excellence of their health system. For example, they started with about 27,000 ventilators compared with the 5/6000 available to our NHS.
For factual information purposes only it is now clear that there is no prospect of the UK and the EU concluding a trade deal by the end of June in accordance with the original timetable and there will have to be an extension. In turn the date for leaving the EU of 31 December 2020, which is embodied in legislation, is no longer credible. Businesses will have too many other problems for the rest of this year to be able to cope with all the resultant disruption leaving the EU will cause.

 

[Lagonda]

As a student of American political science, and as a result of what I saw while working on Capitol Hill, I am personally very comfortable with the way the U.S. Constitution structures and distributes power among the branches of the federal government, and between the federal government and the state governments.

Respectfully, I cannot help but wonder if this post reflects a completely innocent misunderstanding of the way the U.S. Constitution divides power among three branches, and reserves non-enumerated powers to the states?

Ron should this virus not have been discussed in a larger ( maybe bipartisan) setting long time ago ?
Why does one mann’s decisions or indecision get to impact your country so severely. I can understand it in case of a need for rapid response in war situations. I also have a problem with presidential vetos and pardons. It seems like something leftover from a time when the elite secured their absolute power, not a modern democracy. And yes my knowledge of the American system does not go much deeper than watching CNN, Fox and “the west wing”

 

[spiritofmusic]

I think it is fair to say that pretty well all the Western developed countries, including the UK, were slow to react and were not prepared when Covid 19 struck. Why is a very interesting question but proably best answered when things calm down.
Germany seems to have dealt with it well largely because of the excellence of their health system. For example, they started with about 27,000 ventilators compared with the 5/6000 available to our NHS.
For factual information purposes only it is now clear that there is no prospect of the UK and the EU concluding a trade deal by the end of June in accordance with the original timetable and there will have to be an extension. In turn the date for leaving the EU of 31 December 2020, which is embodied in legislation, is no longer credible. Businesses will have too many other problems for the rest of this year to be able to cope with all the resultant disruption leaving the EU will cause.

The trade deal doesn't have to be concluded by June, that's for Jan 2021. Only whether we want to extend past 2021 has to be signified to the EU by June. We left the EU on 1/31/20. As we see w the interminable delays to Italians and Spanish seeking Corona Bonds financial help, always good to give Brussels a deadline and a project and observe procrastination. No reason to delay FTA beyond Jan.

 

[Al M.]

As a student of American political science, and as a result of what I saw while working on Capitol Hill, I am personally very comfortable with the way the U.S. Constitution structures and distributes power among the branches of the federal government, and between the federal government and the state governments.

Respectfully, I cannot help but wonder if this post reflects a completely innocent misunderstanding of the way the U.S. Constitution divides power among three branches, and reserves non-enumerated powers to the states?

Ron, I thought we were not supposed to debate politics.

 

[Barry2013]

The timetable I set out in my post was the one agreed between the EU and the UK with provision for there to be an extension.
Departure on 31 December is laid down in legislation which can only be changed by Parliament

 

[Lagonda]

Ron, I thought we were not supposed to debate politics.

We are not debating politics, Ron is educating me in the workings of the political system. Different ballgame.
I just don’t like to see to much power in one mans hands, no matter what party he represents.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Ron should this virus not have been discussed in a larger ( maybe bipartisan) setting long time ago ?
Why does one mann’s decisions or indecision get to impact your country so severely. I can understand it in case of a need for rapid response in war situations. I also have a problem with presidential vetos and pardons. It seems like something leftover from a time when the elite secured their absolute power, not a modern democracy. And yes my knowledge of the American system does not go much deeper than watching CNN, Fox and “the west wing”

On January 24, 2020, administration officials held a bi-partisan briefing for the full Senate.

I don't understand your second and third sentences. Of course the president has an outsized and individual influence on the decision-making process of the federal government. As you suggest correctly, in my opinion, this makes sense, especially in the context of rapid action needed for war, of which the virus response is analogous.

I respect your right to have an opinion that you disagree with the veto and pardon provisions of the U.S. Constitution, but I have no problem with them, and I do not understand your objections.

Your last sentence gives me the insight I was searching for. News media organizations and Hollywood scriptwriters are among the very last places I would look to learn about the U.S. Constitution, American governmental structures, historical American political culture, and the political and jurisprudential philosophies underlying each of the foregoing.

 

[spiritofmusic]

The timetable I set out in my post was the one agreed between the EU and the UK with provision for there to be an extension.
Departure on 31 December is laid down in legislation which can only be changed by Parliament

I believe you're mistaken Barry. We left on 1/31/20. The only thing that's left to decide is FTA or no FTA.
We've had four national votes in the UK now for parties to enable a referendum/vote Leave/vote for parties promising to respect the Leave vote/get Brexit done. That's quite enough, yes?