Then what is that (to my ears, telltale) residual digital dryness on vocals?
Distortion caused by the gear.
Then what is that (to my ears, telltale) residual digital dryness on vocals?
What does it suggest about Paul’s system that he does not think it is necessary to distinguish between analog sound and digital sound anymore?
Not much. He may not even have the greatest analog playback and may have decided that his digital sounds better.
What he is saying, if I understand correctly, is that there is no "digital signature" to the sound of good digital anymore, and I think he is right.
I don't hear one at all. In fact, to my ears digital excels at vocals, solo, ensemble or choir. I find vocals on good digital to sound timbrally intact and extremely realistic.
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Fair enough, Al. We hear this differently.
This is why you listen to vocals on digital, and I listen to vocals on analog.
no question that in some ways the gap has narrowed.
both are now quite a bit better; digital now is void of areas where it's not acceptable. it is fully acceptable. period. i can listen to digital for hours without ever missing anything. i'm never feeling short
but the vinyl has much more magic now. it can soar to previously unattainable heights.
Not much. He may not even have the greatest analog playback and may have decided that his digital sounds better.
What he is saying, if I understand correctly, is that there is no "digital signature" to the sound of good digital anymore, and I think he is right.
I always associated the sound of digital as a 'crispness'; and extra bit of bright way up on top. And if you look at how aliasing occurs, this seems to make sense. Analog simply does not have that 'crispness'. Fortunately either my hearing has gone south or much of that aliasing is gone, and I think both are true.
Ron, again, as I said it may depend on the genre. Classical vocals are very well served on digital, pop vocals maybe not so much because of all the extra processing.
I don't get this talk of analog "magic". Either it more or less resembles the real thing, or not. Any extra "magic" would be coloration.
If you forced me to make a distinction I would say that multi-track, processed rock/pop vocals sounds even worse on digital than it sounds on analog.
Al it’s also about how good the analog is, i think a lot of people that have decided there is no difference have not heard/owned a really good analog combination. There is truly a magic real life, people in the room sound, that i have never heard with digital. I have not heard the absolute best digital, but have extensively heard the Yggdrasil 2 against my analog rig with CD’s only and it’s not even close I like digital, but once i have heard the music i was missing because i don’t have it on vinyl, i predominantly grab a LP, sorry !I don't get this talk of analog "magic". Either it more or less resembles the real thing, or not. Any extra "magic" would be coloration.
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Ked the very fact we are here proves that while we are all very different oranges we are all truly bananas... I’m going to have go off and play one of my favourite ever tunes now... Strange fruit... but am I more Billie Holiday Strange Fruit or are we not Nina Simone??
You shouldn’t bring apples to an orange tossing event Milan you never know which way the fruit salad will go.Damned you Graham you just gave me a craving with your little creation, and i only have apples
Al, if we ever listen together (which i hope happens), happy to show you what i mean. until then i respect you are not hearing what i am hearing. it's so easy when i listen with someone.
words almost never change beliefs. experiences on the other hand.......
Al it’s also about how good the analog is, i think a lot of people that have decided there is no difference have not heard/owned a really good analog combination. There is truly a magic real life, people in the room sound, that i have never heard with digital. I have not heard the absolute best digital, but have extensively heard the Yggdrasil 2 against my analog rig with CD’s only and it’s not even close I like digital, but once i have heard the music i was missing because i don’t have it on vinyl, i predominantly grab a LP, sorry !
no question that in some ways the gap has narrowed.
both are now quite a bit better; digital now is void of areas where it's not acceptable. it is fully acceptable. period. i can listen to digital for hours without ever missing anything. i'm never feeling short
but the vinyl has much more magic now. it can soar to previously unattainable heights.
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