"Cordial Participation" in Terms of Service 2.

[Bobvin]

To take this example specifically ...

I regard such a remark as a sign of a lack of ability to communicate, or taking the time to communicate, or perhaps poor education. I might even feel sorry for the person who wrote it .. but probably not. Imo what needs to happen in response is not epithets but rather:

1. Identification of the logical fallacies of the statement(s) or argument If you do not or cannot explain the flaws in the logic of a claim or argument, then do not state that 'their logic is dumb'. Logic is not a matter of one's individual preferences but a fairly codified set of guidelines. For example: a straw man argument, or presuming the truth of a conclusion in one's premises (aka ' begging the question'). Logic is not about facts but about how we arrive at conclusions - the 'rules' of argument if you will.

All men are mortal
Alice is a man
Therefore: Alice is mortal.

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2. Carefully address statements you believe are wrong or false or misleading. IOW, fisk them. Fisking is a written argument where one person sequentially addresses each point of an of another person's argument.

Having done this then the peanut gallery will judge for themselves who or what is dumb.

The above is so much more entertaining and educational than exposing one's inability to communicate with cheap insults.

Edit: clean up sloppy syntax and spelling.

Tim, I agree. The problems occur when the other party is not acting in a similarly logical, rational way. Of all things challenging wrt dealing with other human beans, how to deal with people who are irrational is one of the hardest, and typically leads to frustration, then anger. Then even the logical person can get sucked down the vortex.

 

[dminches]

Tim, I agree. The problems occur when the other party is not acting in a similarly logical, rational way. Of all things challenging wrt dealing with other human beans, how to deal with people who are irrational is one of the hardest, and typically leads to frustration, then anger. Then even the logical person can get sucked down the vortex.

That is definitely a challenge which can be rectified by putting someone on ignore, even if temporarily. I have put people on ignore not because they have been rude to me but because I just have no interest in what they are saying on a topic.

 

[Gregadd]

"...even the logical person can get sucked down the vortex."
Is that not what the moderators are for?

 

[Gregadd]

That is definitely a challenge which can be rectified by putting someone on ignore, even if temporarily. I have put people on ignore not because they have been rude to me but because I just have no interest in what they are saying on a topic.

Sticking your head in the sand usually leaves your butt in the air.

 

[tima]

Tim, I agree. The problems occur when the other party is not acting in a similarly logical, rational way. Of all things challenging wrt dealing with other human beans, how to deal with people who are irrational is one of the hardest, and typically leads to frustration, then anger. Then even the logical person can get sucked down the vortex.

And claiming illogicality without explaining what the logic failure is. But yes, I agree. I think there are times when a poster is simply madder than a wet hen and does not realize or care how they are coming across. Many of us are over 40 - age should (and usually does) bring patience - I pause and catch myself sometimes before pressing the reply button.

 

[Bobvin]

And claiming illogicality without explaining what the logic failure is. But yes, I agree. I think there are times when a poster is simply madder than a wet hen and does not realize or care how they are coming across. Many of us are over 40 - age should (and usually does) bring patience - I pause and catch myself sometimes before pressing the reply button.

many posts written, then deleted before hitting send.

 

[tima]

"...even the logical person can get sucked down the vortex."
Is that not what the moderators are for?

No. Moderators are not (or should not be) psychology counselors. Work to put the moderator out of business.

 

[tima]

many posts written, then deleted before hitting send.

Yep. I will offer the suggestion before hitting send to click 'preview' then read your post carefully. Hopefully this will be an opportunity to address spelling and grammar as well as to breath and think if you really wanna say that.

FWIW, imo calling out spelling and grammar is déclassé, I agree, but for gawd's sake some posts are unintelligible - folks have respect for your reader!

 

[Ron Resnick]

Many of us are over 40 - age should (and usually does) bring patience - I pause and catch myself sometimes before pressing the reply button.

While I have not conducted any statistically valid study my subjective impression is that I have perceived no positive correlation between increasing age and greater patience.

 

[K3RMIT]

It’s the opposite in many ways and the young don’t post here I think.

 

[tima]

While I have not conducted any statistically valid study my subjective impression is that I have perceived no positive correlation between increasing age and greater patience.

I too have no knowledge that there is a correlation, which is one reason I said 'should' - with a glint of hope. Without patting myself on the back too hard I do see it somewhat in myself. Maybe it's from eating yogurt.

 

[spiritofmusic]

While I have not conducted any statistically valid study my subjective impression is that I have perceived no positive correlation between increasing age and greater patience.

Yep, Larry David shows way more patience now than years ago.

 

[PeterA]

While I have not conducted any statistically valid study my subjective impression is that I have perceived no positive correlation between increasing age and greater patience.

Ron, with respect, you don't have kids, statistically valid or not. Emoji inserted, but I don't know which is appropriate.

 

[jeff1225]

While I have not conducted any statistically valid study my subjective impression is that I have perceived no positive correlation between increasing age and greater patience.

I feel like you're talking about me...

 

[rando]

Thank you for your comments, but I am afraid that in each sentence above I do not understand what you are talking about.

I appreciate your honesty.

Unfortunately I face the same hurdles others are encountering placing certain elements into cordial packaging.

Verbalizing the equivalent of placing razorblades in caramel apples isn't behavior I'm convinced needs further exhibition. Plenty have already thus far made clear their thoughts on events proceeding such that there is no way of knowing when or what amount of our tongue will be sliced away.

This discussion, ostensibly dealing with cordial means of expression, has long since moved past (bad apples) scuttling poisoned aggression into propaganda, personal politics, and everything falling under the wing of enforcement. Not everyone is registering the progressive changes as relevant to them yet. For the moment lets call this wariness instead of being preconditioned towards any end based upon historical perspective of fora reaching similar junctures.



Airing of complaints directed at your editing of posts failed to address fair and respectful assessments which were elevated enough for my liking. Instead choosing to almost solely focus on the (rigged) lottery aspect or attempts at glossing over the likelihood of there being anything to be concerned about. The internet contains plenty that is actually deeply offensive enough to warrant restrictive measures. To all appearances that task falls largely to you and Julian. Until accepting invitation to divest how deeply this and other larger unmentioned aspects are factoring in. No reasonable amount of consideration on the matter is possible.

I did however provide one example that would represent a break with the accepted environment of industry professionals ability to express personal interests and personal thoughts alongside other hobbyists. Mining posts here without expressed consent or, to expand on this further, skirting items which determine conduct through influencers.

 

[Tango]

Moderator is a crappy job but someone has to do it. I appreciate Ron made this thread to get feeback from people whose comments were censured and also from those who are in favor of past censure ship. I hope he use these feedbacks well enough to strike a "balance" in future possible intervention. If Denying feedback right out it only means this thread not worth having.

One thing I would like to say is however the moderator(s) will moderate, please no double standard. In several occasions I found my content were censured deleted but pretty much the same content (even in higher degree than mine) made by someone who might have a closer relationship to the moderator were not.

 

[Al M.]

Moderator is a crappy job but someone has to do it. I appreciate Ron made this thread to get feeback from people whose comments were censured and also from those who are in favor of past censure ship. I hope he use these feedbacks well enough to strike a "balance" in future possible intervention. If Denying feedback right out it only means this thread not worth having.

Yes, and when in doubt, choose the lighter touch in moderation.

Also, when a thread goes somewhat off topic, so what. It's called a conversation. There is too much whining around here about threads not staying on topic.

 

[morricab]

To take this example specifically ...

I regard such a remark as a sign of a lack of ability to communicate, or taking the time to communicate, or perhaps poor education. I might even feel sorry for the person who wrote it .. but probably not. Imo what needs to happen in response is not epithets but rather:

1. Identification of the logical fallacies of the statement(s) or argument If you do not or cannot explain the flaws in the logic of a claim or argument, then do not state that 'their logic is dumb'. Logic is not a matter of one's individual preferences but a fairly codified set of guidelines. For example: a straw man argument, or presuming the truth of a conclusion in one's premises (aka ' begging the question'). Logic is not about facts but about how we arrive at conclusions - the 'rules' of argument if you will.

All men are mortal
Alice is a man
Therefore: Alice is mortal.

16 Common Logical Fallacies and How to Spot Them

Logical fallacies might be hiding in your daily conversations. Learn how to identify everyday logical fallacies and improve your argumentation skills.

blog.hubspot.com

2. Carefully address statements you believe are wrong or false or misleading. IOW, fisk them. Fisking is a written argument where one person sequentially addresses each point of an of another person's argument.

Having done this then the peanut gallery will judge for themselves who or what is dumb.

The above is so much more entertaining and educational than exposing one's inability to communicate with cheap insults.

Edit: clean up sloppy syntax and spelling.

You are assuming most people can think like this...I have found this is rarely the case.

 

[tima]

You are assuming most people can think like this...I have found this is rarely the case.

Nah, I'm not claiming how anyone thinks. My point is that if you accuse someone's logic of being dumb, you better know what you're talking about or don't say that. Or better still explain where the logic is flawed. If you cannot do that then don't make the claim.

If you can generate a logical fallacy then you can understand why it is one.

 

[K3RMIT]

Nah, I'm not claiming how anyone thinks. My point is that if you accuse someone's logic of being dumb, you better know what you're talking about or don't say that. Or better still explain where the logic is flawed. If you cannot do that then don't make the claim.

If you can generate a logical fallacy then you can understand why it is one.

Tima
your a good poster very coherent over all. but even you have some flawed logic and I’m not laying to what one. What I feel bad for is Ron trying to help. And I truly thank Ron for doing so. What he is testing is 100 people decide the temperature of the room we are in. good luck Ron. while my first reaction was who are you or anyone to censor me ! fact is someone had to keep the peace and
make advertisers feel there being protected.
i run a few companies I am the one period. I listen I try to allow others views , BUT in the end I decide what is the outcome.
be it rEd letters of better yet pm who gets changed I feel is best
and lady is no one should be Posting hey my post is gone