Magico M7 2023

[Bobvin]

How large is your room?

My room isn’t a typical rectangle, but measures between 17 and 20 feet wide, and is about 29‘ long with 9’7” ceiling. You can always review my old thread “wilson & arc for me”, scrolling quickly through pages 4 - 7 to get a good idea of how my room came to be. Not so relevant to this thread though, other than I’d love to hear those new M7s in my room. I think they’d be a perfect fit.

 

[Rhapsody]

Mr. Magico in Paris....

 

[Rhapsody]

Are you suggesting manufacturers like Boulder, Gryphon, and Dan D'Agostino need not apply? Please explain quality vs pure power?

Not sure why you would infer that from my comment? My thought was even much lesser electronics than Boulder, Gryphon and DD would work fine, just so they are high quality amps. Any top tier amp as you mention will work fine, but a lot less expensive brands could work great as well.

 

[Rhapsody]

What this means is whatever amps Rhapsody sells.

That's a BS comment. It is the exact opposite of what I said. You can use any good amp from any brand and one stereo amp if you choose and you can make good sound with the M7s.

 

[Rotatoubib]

I'd be curious to know how many potential customers for these M7s there are for Présence: probably less than the fingers of one hand.

 

[Rhapsody]

What this means is whatever amps Rhapsody sells.

XV. 1. I don’t see a signature on your post. Someone told me that you are a dealer. If that’s the case you do know it’s appropriate to list on WBF that you are a dealer and not just say normal user, right?

if you are not a dealer, I apologize, but if you are then it makes a lot of sense why you have trolled me and other people for several years on WBF.

 

[AudioGod]

Maybe he was referring to money. How much to make them sing.

That's exactly what I meant but my English sucks, so thanks for the help.
I guess you need at least the same budget for electronics as for the speakers

 

[Rhapsody]

That's exactly what I meant but my English sucks, so thanks for the help.
I guess you need at least the same budget for electronics as for the speakers

For me personally it’s more about matching than it is spending big $$$

 

[ScottK]

but a lot less expensive brands could work great as well.

I guess I'm trying to understand why a person spending $375K on a speaker would not spend a commensurate level on the rest of the system? The suggestion that a lower cost amp would be "fine" is an interesting reference. What we see at shows and dealers are cables that cost well over $100k alone. Would you not want the "best" of everything at this level? Seems to me we're talking well over a million dollars for a M7 system. Furthermore can "system matching" overcome $$$$. In other words can we find a perfectly matched system with a $100K speaker that can out perform the A-7? I think system matching is done within each cost class.

 

[Rotatoubib]

For me personally it’s more about matching than it is spending. Big $$$

while it is now possible to have a very good pre and amp combo at a reasonable price, loudspeakers are following the opposite curve. What do you think?

 

[Al M.]

I guess I'm trying to understand why a person spending $375K on a speaker would not spend a commensurate level on the rest of the system? The suggestion that a lower cost amp would be "fine" is an interesting reference. What we see at shows and dealers are cables that cost well over $100k alone. Would you not want the "best" of everything at this level? Seems to me we're talking well over a million dollars for a M7 system.

You don't need big money to have excellent amplification (at least not money in the six figure range). You do need big money for excellent amplification that is also capable of driving very power hungry speakers as I assume the M7 are.

 

[Rhapsody]

I guess I'm trying to understand why a person spending $375K on a speaker would not spend a commensurate level on the rest of the system? The suggestion that a lower cost amp would be "fine" is an interesting reference. What we see at shows and dealers are cables that cost well over $100k alone. Would you not want the "best" of everything at this level? Seems to me we're talking well over a million dollars for a M7 system.

For an example, I sold a pair of M7s. Plus the pre/amp which the customer already owned plus his front end the customer's system is around $700K. ANY other $400Kish speaker is going to cost at least $600K or $700K for the entire system. Not sure what is so perplexing about this.

Sure you can spend $1M+ if you want to, but you don't have to. Although this topic of how much do you have to spend is not specific to M7s it applies to any $400K speakers which I can name 10+.

 

[Rhapsody]

while it is now possible to have a very good pre and amp combo at a reasonable price, loudspeakers are following the opposite curve. What do you think?

Probably so, but I have $10K speakers that I drive with a $10K integrated ( 4 watt 2A3) and I love the sound. Lot's of good lower cost speakers out there along with the sky high priced speakers.

 

[Rhapsody]

This is very interesting to me: 50 watts on a 92dB, 4 ohms large, full-range speaker with four big drivers to control and high order cross-overs to penetrate. A priori I would have thought that this is not sufficient power.

But I would love to hear Kagura on them! Based on my recent Jadis experience I think JA200s also would be very interesting.

I love the idea of high-quality tubes on Magicos!

HI Ron, I will be able to try the Kaguras with the M7s sometime in Q1. I believe overall the M7s will respond to more powerful amplifiers than the Kaguras. Although if someone has a small room and listens at very moderate levels the Kagura/M7 combo might be an interesting combo.

 

[AudioGod]

OK a dilemma
1 million budget
M9+ $250K electronics
Or M7+ $625K electronics ?

 

[Rhapsody]

OK a dilemma
1 million budget
M9+ $250K electronics
Or M7+ $625K electronics ?

Depends on the size of the room and the buyer's personal preference.

 

[LL21]

Depends on the size of the room and the buyer's personal preference.

I would actually be interested to hear M7 + dual Titans vs M9 by itself.

 

[Rhapsody]

I would actually be interested to hear M7 + dual Titans vs M9 by itself.

That would be interesting. It might have to do with the size of the room. Good subs do so much for the overall sound of a system that if I had to bet I might lay my $$$ down on me personally prefer the M7/Titan set up.

Even Titans on M9s will improve the M9s as the subs even out bass dropouts in the room along with improving the midrange, depth/size of soundstage and making everything seem more relaxed.

 

[LL21]

That would be interesting. It might have to do with the size of the room. Good subs do so much for the overall sound of a system that if I had to bet I might lay my $$$ down on me personally prefer the M7/Titan set up.

Even Titans on M9s will improve the M9s as the subs even out bass dropouts in the room along with improving the midrange, depth/size of soundstage and making everything seem more relaxed.

I agree entirely. Particularly that my own blind ranking would be personal preference for M7 + dual titans over M9 by themselves.

 

[AudioGod]

Not sure a pair of subs would be enough to keep up with the M7's bass output.