Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings

[DasguteOhr]

Although they are harder to find, why not original condition?

That's right, you get perfectly refurbished originals from Kenrick, but I would rather have a unique piece (wood veneer, custom bronze horns, etc.) made that not everyone has. I heard a loudspeaker like that once in Belgium, it's really at the top of the ladder.

P.S
Buy a good base used and have it refinished there by Kenrick.
Exsample pic loudspaker second video jbl c 60 legendary drivers from paragon in orginal.

 

[morricab]

For the Bach Tocatta & Fugue the lowest note in the score is at 16Hz, a low C pedal note that requires a 32ft pipe. I agree with your assessment.

on u-tube for the Danse Macabre video it tells us: "Sound is recorded with our Super 3 Stereo recording technique into Zoom F8N Pro." The one thing about that particular video I find a bit odd is the absence of any extraneous.live noise. - For example, I hear not a peep from the two guys talking.

There is a comment thread somewhere where he explains how he managed to not capture the people talking...not sure where I saw it though.

 

[morricab]

That's right, you get perfectly refurbished originals from Kenrick, but I would rather have a unique piece (wood veneer, custom bronze horns, etc.) made that not everyone has. I heard a loudspeaker like that once in Belgium, it's really at the top of the ladder.

P.S
Buy a good base used and have it refinished there by Kenrick.
Exsample pic loudspaker second video jbl c 60 legendary drivers from paragon in orginal.
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Back in 2003 I heard a pair of these JBL Olympus speakers with Silvaweld OTL monos. I was there to buy the monos that he had hooked to the JBLs. I almost didn't buy the OTLs because honestly, the Olympus were very colored sounding. Once you got used to the obvious colorations their strengths showed in the dynamics and liveliness but, damn, that first impression was negative. I bought the OTLs, which proved ultimately to be simply too hot in my non-air conditioned living environment...they sure sounded good though.

It took me many years to find horns that didn't color the sound significantly. So, while I appreciate what the JBLs did in some ways, I could never live with that level of alteration to the tonal structure of the sound. JBL Hartsfields seem to be a lot less colored than these and with even better dynamics...probably the only JBL, with exception of maybe Everest DD55000 model or Paragon that I would consider. This S9500 could also be interesting.

 

[tima]

That's right, you get perfectly refurbished originals from Kenrick, but I would rather have a unique piece (wood veneer, custom bronze horns, etc.) made that not everyone has. I heard a loudspeaker like that once in Belgium, it's really at the top of the ladder.

It took me many years to find horns that didn't color the sound significantly. So, while I appreciate what the JBLs did in some ways, I could never live with that level of alteration to the tonal structure of the sound. JBL Hartsfields seem to be a lot less colored than these and with even better dynamics...probably the only JBL, with exception of maybe Everest DD55000 model or Paragon that I would consider. This S9500 could also be interesting.

GoodEar - I'm talking about original originals, not refurbished/repaired. I've learned a lot in the past couple years from highly knowledgeable ddk about vintage speakers. The drivers are one thing and they can be replaced, but the cabinets contain a lot of the magic and refurbishers cannot replace cabinet originals. The original wood, the glue, the hardware, crossovers -- everything -- are a big part of what give them the sound they have. If you like the Olympus style layout, I'd also look at the TAD 2401. Good luck with the lottery.

Brad - I have not heard the Olympus though I'll guess the early '60s ones do sound colored. The Hartsfields (corner horns) may be less colored but they are colored from what I'm told. The larger Everests like the S9500 are good -- the last ones that can be run on SETs. Of course I'm biased with my M9500s, a hotted up version of the S9500. Several models in the 4000 series are good. https://www.hifido.co.jp/?M=&LNG=J&G=1&KW=JBL

 

[DasguteOhr]

GoodEar - I'm talking about original originals, not refurbished/repaired. I've learned a lot in the past couple years from highly knowledgeable ddk about vintage speakers. The drivers are one thing and they can be replaced, but the cabinets contain a lot of the magic and refurbishers cannot replace cabinet originals. The original wood, the glue, the hardware, crossovers -- everything -- are a big part of what give them the sound they have. If you like the Olympus style layout, I'd also look at the TAD 2401. Good luck with the lottery.

Brad - I have not heard the Olympus though I'll guess the early '60s ones do sound colored. The Hartsfields (corner horns) may be less colored but they are colored from what I'm told. The larger Everests like the S9500 are good -- the last ones that can be run on SETs. Of course I'm biased with my M9500s, a hotted up version of the S9500. Several models in the 4000 series are good. https://www.hifido.co.jp/?M=&LNG=J&G=1&KW=JBL

Thank you,
I see it a little differently, you don't really believe that after 50 years the parameters of a capacitor still fit in the xover. This definitely needs to be checked. And it makes no difference in the sound if a new, nice finish ( wood veneer) is put on the speaker. If you like the look of the cake cabinet, you should leave it original. I get eye cancer from that optics. With the lens in front of the midrage driver you get a wide radiation if you sit closer to it. not necessary at greater distances. I just love it with polished original horns,or made of bronze brings more smooth sound easier more pleasant. But that's a matter of taste, everyone hears it differently.

 

[Argonaut]

*into a 3-4 meter long folded horn

Stephan , that is exactly what you are looking at , AC Symphonia employs a + 3 meter folded base horn . Those lowest octaves simply won’t make it intact past YouTubes compression.

 

[Argonaut]

I find a bit odd is the absence of any extraneous.live noise. - For example, I hear not a peep from the two guys talking.

That is because Moiz uploaded that particular file containing audio , directly recorded via mic’s at the show , of the system playing the Bach Tocatta & Fugue in room , which he has superimposed over the visual video componant , he occasionally does this , sometimes over still images of the subject … Its called Art.

 

[PeterA]

the most recent one showing above is 8 years old; unlikely from an I-phone. no one was doing in room i-phone system videos then. done by (or commissioned by) Aries Cerat at a show in 2016. i guess we need more info to see how relevant it is.

maybe others are actually recent and we know the source and method?

recently posted Mike. Part of the current discussion of system videos in rooms.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

recently posted Mike. Part of the current discussion of system videos in rooms.

thanks. i did look at his recent posts but did not find one. if you have a link or two that would be helpful, not a big deal either way.

 

[DasguteOhr]

Stephan , that is exactly what you are looking at , AC Symphonia employs a + 3 meter folded base horn . Those lowest octaves simply won’t make it intact past YouTubes compression.

I have heard 5 years with fe 206en in in bit modified madisound bk 20 horn.
with a correction circuit (2khz-8khz too loud) then 94.5 db / 1watt with el 34 se amp. later I supplemented it with a visaton tl 16 tweeter (6db xover 0.68uf cap). The resonance peak of the Fostex 206 is at 45 hz*. It works pretty with se amps (plays louder) you get more bass. I had a lot of fun with these speakers in a small room of 16 square meters.

Fostex BK-20 Folded Horn Kit - Pair

8” Full-Range High Efficiency Folded Horn Kit, now with the new FE206NV!

www.madisoundspeakerstore.com

Visaton TL 16 H Hochtöner

High-End Horn- Hochtöner. Das extrem leichte Diaphragma aus einer Titan-Aluminiumlegierung weist neben einem extrem dynamischen Impulsverhalten einen…

www.boomaudio.de

P.S
The newer FE 208 Sigma driver has a banana fiber membrane and is more stable. Resonance frequency 42hz 97db /1watt for information
*Correction 39hz

 

[PeterA]

thanks. i did look at his recent posts but did not find one. if you have a link or two that would be helpful, not a big deal either way.

Mike, see Brad’s posts 2965 and 2976.

 

[wil]

Here you go Carlos. This is Solti conducting the Chicago Symphony, Beethoven Symphony No 5, 3rd Movement, on London/ffrr, CSP-9. Vinyl record in box set of all nine symphonies. Ortofon cartridge. I might make another video with the vdH Colibri.

Revisit to Beethoven Symphony #5, 3rd mv -- Solti:

Above are the in-room videos from Carlos and Peter of the same recording and below is my in-room video along with the direct YouTube version.

Contrary to Carlos' apparent approach, I'm posting these, not as a competition, but more than anything ,to illustrate the qualitative differences between the direct file and our in-room recordings.

I may be alone in the opinion that the direct file can be a useful reference. I'd be curious to hear other in-room video's that can equal of surpass the direct file.

Note, videos are not volume matched.

 

[hopkins]

I may be alone in the opinion that the direct file can be a useful reference. I'd be curious to hear other in-room video's that can equal of surpass the direct file.

You are not alone. Provided the quality of the source material is not radically different (ex: poor digital copy versus excellent vinyl copy), it provides a useful reference for comparison. None of this is an exact science, and we are free to approach this as we want. Once a video is published, the author has to accept that people will evaluate it differently. Some will not listen to anything else, and think it sounds good or bad, and others will choose to compare it. Why does it matter?

Generally, I listen to the video first and if I like it, I will listen to another version to compare. If I don't like it, I won't even bother.

 

[Al M.]

I may be alone in the opinion that the direct file can be a useful reference.

No, you're not alone.

I don't understand the resistance of some against this commonsense reference. After all, it's the original recording, processed through the same YouTube path as the system video.

 

[hopkins]

By listening to the "source" recording on our own system (or headphones) we could compare notes on specific aspects of the track and how it is reproduced through these different systems, which could lead to interesting discussions:
- what do we think of the recording, what are it's specificities, strong points and weaknesses, what is challenging...

Of course we could do that without the system videos.

It is hard to comment on a system video in a vacuum without knowing the music, and these videos don't tell us everything about the system.

 

[Rexp]

Revisit to Beethoven Symphony #5, 3rd mv -- Solti:

Above are the in-room videos from Carlos and Peter of the same recording and below is my in-room video along with the direct YouTube version.

Contrary to Carlos' apparent approach, I'm posting these, not as a competition, but more than anything ,to illustrate the qualitative differences between the direct file and our in-room recordings.

I may be alone in the opinion that the direct file can be a useful reference. I'd be curious to hear other in-room video's that can equal of surpass the direct file.

Note, videos are not volume matched.

Having a good quality official YouTube version of a track, derived from a good original recording, for reference is fine but I don't see the point of posting one of average quality (IMO) as is the case here.

 

[wil]

Having a good quality official YouTube version of a track, derived from a good original recording, for reference is fine but I don't see the point of posting one of average quality (IMO) as is the case here.

I think the Solti recording is Ok, but not great. Peter chose it as he owns it on vinyl. I do think the Solti is better than the other versions posted on this thread.

 

[Rexp]

I think the Solti recording is Ok, but not great. Peter chose it as he owns it on vinyl. I do think the Solti is better than the other versions posted on this thread.

I'm saying the digital version isn't great, I'm sure the vinyl's good. How do you rate it @PeterA ?

 

[wil]

I'm saying the digital version isn't great, I'm sure the vinyl's good. How do you rate it @PeterA ?

How are you sure the vinyl is good?

 

[PeterA]

No, you're not alone.

I don't understand the resistance of some against this commonsense reference. After all, it's the original recording, processed through the same YouTube path as the system video.

Al, it is not the original recording if the original recording was made in the 1960s in analog. It is very possible that the official YouTube recording is a digital file mastered differently. We don’t know any information about the YouTube file.

for one thing, there is no mic involved. When you select the gear for your system and set it up in your room, are you referencing a digital YouTube file, or are you referencing your memory of the way acoustic instruments sound in a real space?