Munich HighEnd 2024
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The roon was VERY small and the amps were NAF 845 monos.
It sounded really excellent in this small space.
The Vyger didn't even have an arm
They played R2R as well
How much personal experience with system setup and room-tuning do you have, Ked?
Just for the record, Bob, I said plasticized wood -- wood with something like a shiny polyurethane coating, though that may not be what it is. That seems to be something of a trend with high-end speakers.
The front baffle appears highly reflective. Guess I don't care for the look of glossy or shiny speakers.
No problems, I understand you are talking your book.
Yes, definitely there are many coats of the finest varnish for durability over the life of the products and with a 500lb speaker (or even their smaller, only 300lbs shipping or moving it around, along with the effects of humidity and temperature changes when being shipped around the world it is highly necessary. Or you end up with cracks in the wood, which becomes a real issue over time.
The varnish is not added for "the look" etc it's for long term stability of the veneers and of course that gives it it's final look which definitely is not for everyone.
Edit- I used the wrong word polyurethane as there are I think 5 or 6 coats of high quality, very special varnish that are applied to the veneers on the Lorenzo speakers. There is a difference between a high quality varnish finish vs a poly finish.
shipping or moving it around, along with the effects of humidity and temperature changes when being shipped around the world it is highly necessary. Or you end up with cracks in the wood, which becomes a real issue over time.The varnish is not added for "the look" etc it's for long term stability of the veneers and of course that gives it it's final look which definitely is not for everyone.
Edit- I used the wrong word polyurethane as there are I think 5 or 6 coats of high quality, very special varnish that are applied to the veneers on the Lorenzo speakers. There is a difference between a high quality varnish finish vs a poly finish.
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Elliot G.
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I don’t agree. Those who fail to plan , plan to fail. For many first timers, like I did, we came and we winged it. No plan! If you want to get a good result you need to plan for the room number one! Secondly not everyone in this industry has the same skill set. Just because you designed something does not make you a set up wizard! Just like every pianist isn’t tuning their instrument.
Set up is a particular skill set and IMO one that only a select few master .
To be successful at a show you need a plan, a team, great gear and someone that knows how to position the speakers and set the gear up for maximum performance.
When you go around the show it’s OBVIOUS that not every one can do it.
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
So here you have an opinion and "for certain" that the 500 lb, Lorenzo LM 1 doesn't look like a $200K speaker while not having seen or heard the product. Of course it is their opinion and is respected.
Then you have someone that has seen and spent a half hour listening to the product and talking to the designer and this is again only their opinion.
Just an observation on how opinions vary:
From Marty-
Then came the big surprise of the day, which were the Lorenzo loudspeakers. I really don’t know what to say other than this is one very impressive sounding speaker. What stunned me is that it uses a midrange horn, and I am certainly no fan of horn loudspeakers. In fact, most the horns I heard today just sucked. When horns play strings or piano, for the most part, it just doesn't sound right to me. That's my bias and I'm stickin' to it. But I could have listened to strings and piano on the Lorenzo all day. On the other hand, the Ares Cerat was a horror show. What people see in that, I just don't get. More disappointing was what I heard a Thomas Mayer. I don’t know what they used but it was big, black and ugly. I would have guessed they would have done a better job based on their reputation for excellent tube gear. But let’s get back to the Lorenzo. This was driven by their own tube gear (and nagra DAC) and it just sounded wonderful, like music.
I had he good luck of being there for 30 min by myself and got to know the designer, Miguel Lorenzo Castro, his wife and son quite a bit, What I discovered is it is Miguel's wife that is the final sonic arbiter of the product's sound. Miguel and his son confirm this as they say she has an exceptional ear. Even better, she also sets up the room, which was clearly one of the better sounding rooms I heard today even though it was modest in size. I thought hmmm, maybe Mrs. Castro (Maria Jose, known informally as Pepa) is the EU version of Bea Lam, who has long been known for her excellent ear. Was it simply coincidence that the two best sounding systems I heard thus far were both driven by premier women audiophiles?
I simply could not believe the Lorenzo room was empty for over 30 minutes while I was given an ipad and told to play whatever. I wanted. More people really should hear this speaker. But more than just hear it you have to see the incredible woodwork to believe it. As I told Bob Visitainer, it’s genuinely cabinet art that sounds like music. One might even say its a bargain at 200K! Kudos.
Specifications
- 4-way-system with phase-optimized crossover.
- Drivers: Woofer 16 inches, Midrange 11 inches, Treble 1 inch compression drive unit, Superteeter
- Sensitivity: 96 dB.
- Nominal Impedance: 8 Ohm.
- Enclosure Type Woofer: Double rear vented.
- Enclosure Type Midrange: Sealed.
- Enclosure Type Tweeter: Sealed.
- Frequency response: 20 Hz to 35 kHz.
- Recommended amplifier: 20 to 500 Watts.
- Dimensions: Height 68 inches (172,5 cm), Width 21,85 inches (55,5 cm), Depth 24,61 inches (62,5 cm).
- Weight: 441 lbs (200 kg) each.
So far i have not seen a rockport lyra / orion.
I still have a 3 rd to go
I saw a lynx on display.
Looked to me as if its.mostly a ALU speaker..
I was nt very impressed by the lower range rockports .
Atria 2
I still have a 3 rd to go
I saw a lynx on display.
Looked to me as if its.mostly a ALU speaker..
I was nt very impressed by the lower range rockports .
Atria 2
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Elliot G.
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Those speakers look great and sound pretty good as well. They are largeYes, definitely there are many coats of polyurethane for durability over the life of the products and with a 500lb speaker (or even their smaller, only 300lbs
The poly is not added for "the look" etc it's for long term stability of the veneers and of course that gives it it's final look which definitely is not for everyone.
I visited this room, the digital source was CEC TL0 transport and they played both CD and LP for me.
Even in show condition (small room, bad AC quality, …) this room was good/acceptable in comparison to many rooms. I am not sure but I think this speaker is not expensive.
The TT in the room was the new SAT table and arm. Not sure of the SAT price, but somewhere between $200K-$300K.
Btw, the only reason that Lorenzo AND A LOT OF OTHER VENDORS have these small plywood rooms on the main show floor there is a several year waiting list to secure rooms on the top floors. Lorenzo is on the waiting list and they think it will still be 1-2 years until they can get an upstairs room.
Thank god for open-minded people
. Comment is based on what Marty apparently said about horns (see post by Rhapsody #388)
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I am having the time of my life over here in Munich with staying at Motor World across the street from MOC and spending a week preparing and then meeting and talking, listening to music with people from around the world.Thank god for open-minded people
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The experience needs to be with finished rooms. If the same speaker sounds equally bad in multiple finished rooms set up by different people, it is bad. My set up doesn’t matter, the fact that people have set it up in some rooms for years and it still sucks says a lot
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