"Do Vinyl Records Actually Sound Better Than CDs? We Take A Closer Look" in Slashgear

Atmasphere said:

As to your 'why' I answered above. Please reread my response- no need to repeat myself. I've read more than once or twice that damping is one of the key ingredients missing from older machines.

I contest that you are actually going 'up the ladder of turntables' just because they might be more expensive! High end audio is not driven by price, its driven by intention. So you can have a really expensive turntable that does not exceed the performance of a Technics SL1200G and in practice that seems to be pretty common. I've noticed that a lot of products in high end audio are not created by engineers so much as by audiophiles. Some have education and are familiar with engineering principles so have good products and others went to the school of by gosh and by golly...

In the end, you will find that you can't gaslight me on this one. No offense meant but I take my training, experience and measurement any day over what someone tries to tell me on the internet. The measurement side of this BTW is very repeatable and if you get it right the improvement its very audible. I can't think of why anyone would resist that!

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mtemur said:

I have Technics SL-1000 and measured SL-1200G. I also listened them. They're good for their price but nothing special. Better turntables with better isolation sound much more better. SL-1200G is good for $4500 and sounds ok but still it's w&f measurements is worse than old SL-1200 or SL-1300 mk2. I measured myself.

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Atmasphere said:

The weakness of the Technics machines is the platter pad for one thing.

I can't speak to the SL1000 as I've not heard it. But once the SL1200G gets a good platter pad and you change out the tonearm (Triplanar) its very hard to beat at any price.

My turntables sit on an isolation platform that is good to 3Hz; that in turn sits on an equipment stand built for the platform and in turn that sits on a set of Aurios Pro bearings. Its pretty impervious to sound pressure even at 105dB according to what I hear and my measurements. That must be taken into account when during my comments.

Technics got the coupling between the platter and the base of the arm right in the SL1200G. They did not get this right in the SP-10s and its variants. So their more expensive machines have coloration problems that the SL1200G does not. I think its a better machine than our model 208 which is why we don't make it anymore. But the 208 was better at that coupling thing I just mentioned and its platter is better damped, but not as good WRT speed stability. So there are tradeoffs between the two.

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Bones13 said:

How hard was it to put a Triplanar arm on the 1200G? I do like mine, but always wondered if the arm was the weak link. I will spend some google time on that. I remember Origin having some sort of insert for the older 1200s to mount other arms, the SME was popular back then.

I already replaced the mat with a cork one, it have not played with the more expensive ones.

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dennis h said:

@Atmasphere

Which clamp do you use with your recommended mat ?

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