Gary, thank you so much for your thoughts and detailed explanation. Currently I have a Vitus Audio SIA-030 integrated amp, very happy with it's sound, however it's a beast of an amplifier and runs pretty hot in Class A, hence my interest in the functionality of the Studio Player when performing the pre amp/volume control duties, the option to exchange my integrated amp for a stand alone power amp may well be worth considering.
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Gary, thank you so much for your thoughts and detailed explanation. Currently I have a Vitus Audio SIA-030 integrated amp, very happy with it's sound, however it's a beast of an amplifier and runs pretty hot in Class A, hence my interest in the functionality of the Studio Player when performing the pre amp/volume control duties, the option to exchange my integrated amp for a stand alone power amp may well be worth considering.
Hi Mike,
I am increasingly addicted to the WADAX Studio Player’s internal DAC. especially for classical / Jazz music. However, there are occasions especially for female vocals which I love the Goldmund‘s sound signature very much. In whch cases, I would like to use the Player as a transport, feeding to Goldmund‘s digial chain E2E.
Thanks,
Gary
Hi Gary
Perhaps you may be able to clarify one point for me, when you refer to the remote control volume moving 5 units at a time, how does this step change equate in terms of db levels
Thank's
What power cables are you guys using on your Wadax gear? Straight into the wall or power conditioner/distributor? I was reading another thread and Lloyd(LL12) mentioned power cables have a significant effect on digital gear and it got me thinking. I got the Ref Dac & Server with PS and a single Akasa cable for now, curious what you all have used.
Hello Dave,
Congrats as regards your Wadax reference trio! Hope you are as happy with them as I am.
In my view all audio components in a high quality audio system benefit from good / great pc’s. I am using Tidal audio (silver) pc’s straight into my powerstrip; so I am not using any power conditioner.
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on my Ref Server power supply i use the King Sablon power cable, and on my 2 Ref Dac power supplies i use Absolute Fidelity power cables. all three are plugged into my Equi=tech 10WQ 10kva power grid on a filtered circuit for my digital. so no 'conditioner' just a big boy whole system 'in-wall' power regenerator.
all Furutech NCF plugs and outlets except the Sablon uses Bocchino plugs.
obviously with these outboard power supplies Wadax is very Serious about power.
big congrats! welcome to the club. you have Level 3.5 Wadax. just 2 more Akasa DC cables for Level 4.
it's 'pinch-me' listening for me every day.
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Equi Tech is not a power regenerator is it? It’s described as a balanced isolation transformer.on my Ref Server power supply i use the King Sablon power cable, and on my 2 Ref Dac power supplies i use Absolute Fidelity power cables. all three are plugged into my Equi=tech 10WQ 10kva power grid on a filtered circuit for my digital. so no 'conditioner' just a big boy whole system 'in-wall' power regenerator.
all Furutech NCF plugs and outlets except the Sablon uses Bocchino plugs.
obviously with these outboard power supplies Wadax is very Serious about power.
big congrats! welcome to the club. you have Level 3.5 Wadax. just 2 more Akasa DC cables for Level 4.
it's 'pinch-me' listening for me every day.
not sure if there is any actual difference between a power regenerator and an isolation transformer.
in my uneducated mind there is not, but i'd enjoy getting corrected if need be.
maybe not all power regenerators are isolation transformers, but all isolation transformers are power regenerators? there is more than one way to do power regeneration, and one of them is having an isolation transformer? is that about right?
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Rudolf,
Rudolf, I've been reading your LA thread, sounds like you and Miguel are pushing the limits, I'm happy you like what you're hearing. I need to call him, I'll need another grounding cable for the additional PS. I've been wanting to make this move for awhile especially after reading about both of your experiences with Wadax. Once I get everything set up, I'll report back. I can't wait to hear this gear in my room.
Mike, I'm going to stick with the standard DC cables for awhile and appreciate the upgrade as is and then add the Akasa cables down the road, it seems the upgrade isn't subtle but neither is the price.
Dave
Rudolf, I've been reading your LA thread, sounds like you and Miguel are pushing the limits, I'm happy you like what you're hearing. I need to call him, I'll need another grounding cable for the additional PS. I've been wanting to make this move for awhile especially after reading about both of your experiences with Wadax. Once I get everything set up, I'll report back. I can't wait to hear this gear in my room.
Mike, I'm going to stick with the standard DC cables for awhile and appreciate the upgrade as is and then add the Akasa cables down the road, it seems the upgrade isn't subtle but neither is the price.
Dave
Hello Dave,
Indeed the Akasa reference dc cable is not a subtle upgrade but - as you already mentioned- neither is the price. I started with two of them (for the Wadax reference dac’s two power supplies) and was very impressed by their performance. However, I initially hesitated about adding a third one (between the Wadax reference server and its dedicated PSU) after reading Roy Gregory’s original review. However, all three of Akasa reference dc cables make a big difference for the better (as Roy later on disclosed) and you will surely be happy once you will be able to add them somewhere in the future.
You know, I have not (yet) grounded the dedicated PSU of the Wadax Reference server because I am running out of (i) Tripoint Audio filters, (ii) Tripoint Audio top of the line grounding cables (waiting currently for the third Emperor NG statement cable to be connected to the Wadax Reference dac) and (iii) money. That said, in my LA system the impact of these Tripoint Audio Emperor NG statement cables is - even - more profound than the Akasa reference dc cables. So I would love to add in the future one or more filters and top notch grounding cables to my LA system. It is one craze hobby!
Good luck with installing the Wadax reference gear.
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I am a believer in 'cables make difference' including digital cables and power cables. Also I believe in power cables, the diminishing return diminishes very soon. So I go with Furutech cable, both ends Furutech connectors finished by a pro and more importantly not in a rush, i.e. spending adequate time. Your Furutech dealer most probably would have someone for that job. Also I have found out that Kimber PK series and in case of digital devices, PK14 series (low current) cables are a very good solution. Easy to find, very good price/performance. I would recommend going low current cables for low power, high current cables for high power devices. Latter is easy to understand but low current cables (thinner) for low power devices is most of the time overlooked. I believe, if the cable is way thick for the device current, it will never properly burn-in and will always stay not burned-in.
Having had filters, regenerator and in the end a StromTank, I can also say that; most filters are good quality distributors / multi-taps. Considering the price there is nothing wrong using them as multi-taps. Regenerators & isolation transformers (as asked above) are similarly working devices. In Regenerator, the incoming AC current is transformed to pure DC and on the other hand it is transformed back to AC. In Isolation transformers, the interim 'pure DC' step doesn't have to happen. In most cases, only one 1:1 transformer is used, in rare cases two transformers are used as mirror. In these cases some noise in the form of high frequency sinus wave can pass through. If there is no noise problem in Your home AC system, direct into wall outlets, which is equal to no filter distributor to single wall socket, is a good option, especially in terms of price / performance. I had a leak-in noise from a neighbor's air condition unit which was quite audible from my left speaker. That's why I went all the way up to StromTank. Best solution is to feed Your system from pure DC as in StromTank choice, or You can easily have a solar power system (minus the panels themself in case). Thanks to both solar systems and RV powering this option is widely available nowadays and the best option IMHO.
Metei,
Thanks for this explanation, I'm in the process of designing a new home with a dedicated room and a few people have suggested battery backup. Ive been told it protects equipment from power surges while providing clean power at the same time. I assume it works like the Stromtank but I haven't done any research. I plan to add a sub panel to isolate the stereo room from the lighting system and other electronics that pollute sound.
Dave
Thanks for this explanation, I'm in the process of designing a new home with a dedicated room and a few people have suggested battery backup. Ive been told it protects equipment from power surges while providing clean power at the same time. I assume it works like the Stromtank but I haven't done any research. I plan to add a sub panel to isolate the stereo room from the lighting system and other electronics that pollute sound.
Dave
personally i suspect that with the over the top power supplies of the Wadax Reference chassis, and Akasa DC cables, that providing ultimate current from an active AC power grid might be preferrable to a battery. but who knows? a data point of the Level 4 Wadax with the StromTank would be helpful.
i'm just speculating. and i have never lived with a StromTank. OTOH my darTZeel NHB-18NS does use a battery and it's the best sounding preamp i have heard.
i'm just speculating. and i have never lived with a StromTank. OTOH my darTZeel NHB-18NS does use a battery and it's the best sounding preamp i have heard.
Dear Dave,
StromTank basically is an online UPS. And this is no way a disdain against them. On the contrary, they are not marketing voodoo, they are selling a very well known technology, just perfected in many ways. A very good solar / RV system would also be the same. A converter / inverter module and number of batteries as per Your needs. StromTank has perfected their inverter and adapted for HiFi applications.
Also with 3 - 4 lifepo4 batteries, I guess we can listen to music more then 10 hours straight. During the rest of the day, the batteries can charge. So in such a system I would suggest using batteries always. Your electrician could easily install a physical circuit breaker that cuts the HiFi system from the grid power. In that case I would recommend a separate grounding and You're good to go..
I know because I will have the same system installed soon along with a makeover in my listening room.
Happy listening..
Dear Mike,
There are one in a million cases, which happened to me. The noise I mentioned passed even through the regenerator (though lessened). Only solution was to feed my system from battery power, and the case was not phantom or ocd made up, it was real, it was there. Else I agree with You, the transformers and the capacitors in such devices are capable or supplying the power into the system.
Now I have moved and I use StromTank only as a regular UPS. For cases of power outs (I have industrial regulator at the building entrance). I only turn it on once in a while to drain the batteries for a better life. The difference; way less than the difference between when the system is cold vs. warmed up.
Mike,
I believe Eric (Cincy2), was using Wadax 3.5 with Stromtank, I bought the gear from him. I'll reach out. Like you mentioned, my goal is to provide the cleanest power, its not my area of expertise and too difficult to compare different options in unfamiliar rooms. I believe the room is the foundation, hopefully I get it right!!
Dave
Sorry for my late response.
5 units out of the usual 100 scale, which cannot be translated into specific db levels I am afraid, as this will depend on output level and other related factors.
Elliot G.
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I have owned a fulll Wadax system for a very long time. Our building uses an extreme power device to run the entire building. My sound room is completely isolated circuts that come off the extreme power and feed my gear. I have tried a bunch of power devices within my room and recently had the opportunity to install a complete Shunyata power system to both the front end of my system ( Wadax and Riviera Preamp) and a seperate Shunyata for my amplifiers.
I dont know what more I can do after installing a Typhon T2 ( could use a T30 as well depends on the system) with a Denali for the front end. That incluses the Pre, the Wadax DAC/Power supplies, the Wadax Server, The optional Reference Power supply , all of this is fed by a 20 amp power cables, of which I have tried a few and the amps are plugged into a Typhon T-30 with high end power cords. In this case they are all omega SR but I also use the Gobel Reference Power cables.
The end result especially with the Altaira grounding I have installed is producing the best sound I have ever had in my space and IMO the best I have ever produced anywhere.
I am not trying to do a commercial this is what I found and how I feel.
Elliot,
Thanks for the info, I have used Shunyata PCs before but have no experience with the Typhon or his other latest gear. Its good to hear that you're not missing anything, I worry that some power delivery options rob you of dynamics. Do you have any experience with solar batteries, its been mentioned as an option for a new home build, but I worry it will limit dynamics? I'm trying to feed the system the cleanest power I can from the source and go from there. I want to give these Wadax power supplies high octane!
Dave
Thanks for the info, I have used Shunyata PCs before but have no experience with the Typhon or his other latest gear. Its good to hear that you're not missing anything, I worry that some power delivery options rob you of dynamics. Do you have any experience with solar batteries, its been mentioned as an option for a new home build, but I worry it will limit dynamics? I'm trying to feed the system the cleanest power I can from the source and go from there. I want to give these Wadax power supplies high octane!
Dave
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