Introducing Olympus & Olympus I/O - A new perspective on modern music playback

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The document is frequently updated.

Scroll down to the 'XDMI, Olympus Music Server, Olympus I/O' section and click 'XDMI, Olympus, Olympus I/O Product Introduction & FAQ' to download the latest version.

Good morning WBF!​


We are introducing the culmination of close to 4 years of research and development. As a bona fide IT/tech nerd with a passion for music, I have always been intrigued by the potential of leveraging the most modern of technologies in order to create a better music playback experience. This, amongst others, led to the creation of our popular, perhaps even revolutionary, Extreme music server 5 years ago, which we have been steadily improving and updating with new technologies throughout its life cycle. Today I feel we can safely claim it's holding its ground against the onslaught of new server releases from other companies, and we are committed to keep improving it for years to come.

We are introducing a new server model called the Olympus. Hierarchically, it positions itself above the Extreme. It does provide quite a different music experience than the Extreme, or any other server I've heard, for that matter. Conventional audiophile descriptions such as sound staging, dynamics, color palette, etc, fall short to describe this difference. It does not sound digital or analog, I would be inclined to describe it as coming closer to the intended (or unintended) performance of the recording engineer.

Committed to keeping the Extreme as current as possible, we are introducing a second product called the Olympus I/O. This is an external upgrade to the Extreme containing a significant part of the Olympus technology, allowing it to come near, though not entirely at, Olympus performance levels. The Olympus I/O can even be added to the Olympus itself to elevate its performance even further, though not as dramatic an uplift as adding it to the Extreme. Consider it the proverbial "cherry on top".
 
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I have been super busy and the Olympus XDMI is still burning in. There are a lot of tests I would like to perform but really need the burn-in to settle first, so that I am not testing against a moving target.

Olympus XDMI Analog:
Pretty sure some people are eager to hear my initial impressions, so although a bit early, I will share what I have so far. Here are some of my notes about listening to XDMI analog (only streaming Qobuz with the router/switch/DCD):
  • Presentation is different than what I am used to. It’s really hard to describe what I mean by “different” and I don’t think I have a full grasp on that yet.
  • 3D and holographic - the best I have heard.
  • Sound stage is big - wide and deep.
  • Bass is amazing. Some of the best bass I have heard was coming from really good reel to reel decks playing master tapes (or copies of). The bass from the Olympus XDMI really reminds me of that and it’s the closest I have heard to that. But it’s different. The bass from these analog tapes was more rounded and softer and did not go very low. The bass from the Olympus XDMI is not rounded or soft in any way. And goes low and deep. It kind of has the best of both worlds IMHO.
  • Not so well recordings sound amazing. This is my absolute favorite part about the Olympus XDMI. I just kept listening to music I did not really enjoy on my big system before. I found myself playing full albums of music I never enjoyed in my system before. In fact I realized I never got to playing any of my well recorded reference tracks last night. ****There might be a small caveat to this, though - we audiophiles sometimes like changes to the presentation and we rediscover a lot of old albums but that kind of quickly fades away over time when the initial excitement is over. I don’t think that is the case here but won’t be able to confirm until I spend more time with the Olympus. But it really extracts a lot more musical information from these not so good recordings.
  • The Olympus XDMI really excels in playing complex music with a lot of instruments. Instead of doing a confused mess, it clearly shows where every instrument is, you hear layers and layers, and even the vibrations of each instrument. It’s quite cool. Give it some complex music and watch what it can do. The more complex it is, the better.
  • There is no such thing as digital harshness with the Olympus XDMI. It has all the good properties of good digital (such as clarity, detail, dynamics, fast transients, etc.) without the bad stuff.
  • Last but not least, music is very immersive, involving, engaging, and fluid. This is where I think the comparison with analog comes from. If you think about it having that great bass as the foundation, the absolute best 3D and holographic sound with big-deep-wide soundstage that can render effortlessly complex music and reproduce layers and vibrations - it will be immersive and engaging :).
There are many questions that still need answering, though. And I need more time to answer them. The problem is that my analytical brain turns off and I enjoy the music withouth thinking too much into what I am hearing. I need to find a way to turn my analytical brain back on.

On the negative side… mostly due to burn in:
  • The Olympus is still burning-in. I can hear that. There are ups and downs. There were times when I said “WOW”, times when I jumped out of my seat, and times when I was underwhelmed. So there is more to come.
  • In fact the first three hours were quite underwhelming. I think it took 3.5 hours before the first “WOW”.
  • At times I was wondering if I needed to re-tune my system with different cables, preamp, etc. But this might have been burn-in side effects, because shortly after I did not feel like I needed to do anything.
  • Although not exactly a negative, I will add this here - I found myself listening louder and louder and louder and louder … to levels I should not be listening to. It was just fun to listen loud with no distortions but dangerous for my hearing. Be careful with that.
What about the USB output?
I sold my Extreme, and I couldn’t do a side by side comparison. However, from recollection I feel like the Olympus USB is a lot better than what I was hearing from my Extreme.
A couple of friends offered to bring their Extreme, so we can do proper A/B comparison and I may take them up on that offer. My memory is usually not bad, and I feel like the USB on the Olympus is a lot better.
What is also interesting is that some of that "different" sound presentation I mentioned earlier about XDMI analog is there with USB. That makes me think that not all of that is XDMI... perhaps the BPS and other parts of the Olympus design has something to do with it.

XDMI Analog vs. USB to "my DAC"?
Here is the million (or $50K-ish, 100K-ish, depending on what DAC you have) dollar question - how does the Olympus XDMI analog compare to the Olympus USB to my DAC? Well, that was an easy one. After listening to XDMI analog, I simply cannot go back to USB + my DAC. I tried a couple of times and you really only need a few seconds to realize that. I will keep that answer short as it’s probably the easiest thing to answer.

What is "my DAC"?
“My DAC” is not a commercial DAC but a tube DAC that I built and tweaked over the years myself.
BTW, As someone who likes tubes, I think the Olympus XDMI analog will work great with a very good tube preamp (at least in my system). I have several here to experiment with when I have more time. For these listening tests I was using a passive silver wire autoformer based device similar to the EM/IA Remote Autoformer ones.

XDMI Analog vs. USB to "your DAC"?
I can’t really answer how it would compare to “your DAC”. But what I am hearing is exceptionally good, and I would not be surprised at all if you feel the same way with “your DAC” after listening to XDMI analog. In fact I believe XDMI Analog will outperform many high end DACs.
I will be very curious to follow the feedback about XDMI analog vs. native XDMI in the Lampizator Horizon.

BPS and AC mains?
As expected my system became less dependent on the quality of my mains (AC power) with the battery powered Olympus. I had a pretty significant difference between playing during business hours on weekdays and say around midnight. That itself and the fact that I can enjoy many not very well recorded albums is a big enough reason for me to do this upgrade.

Summary:
I think it's obvious that I liked the Olympus XDMI quite a bit and there is a lot more room for improvement and fine tuning. I've been a speakers-first person, but I really appreciate the source first approach now too. You may be surprised what your system is capable of when you have a source as musical as the Olympus XDMI.
For those who are still on the fence whether to place an order or not before the 5K Euro XDMI promo ends next week, it's quite simple - if you can afford it, go for it. For the rest - if you can trade-in your Extreme, sell your DAC, a power cord, a USB cable, etc. - well you do the math... I know a lot of people who will end up with a net positive $$$ and will have much better sound.
If you are not sure whether it's for you or not, feel free to reach out, and I will be happy to help.

Disclaimers:
After seeing a bunch of thumb-downs on my YouTube shorts (sorry for those who were disappointed - I am not a YouTuber and just wanted to share the moment with those who are eagerly expecting their Olympus), I realized that these posts are being read not only by my friends who I keep in touch with but also by all kinds of people, with different agendas. So, some disclaimers below:
  1. The above is my subjective experience and thoughts. YMMV.
  2. As many of you already know, I am a Taiko dealer, so feel free to take my honest comments with a grain of salt.nHi Nenon,

Hi nenon,

Thank you for your clear and well written first impressions.

For me, musical engagement and being able to disengage my analytical side while listening is the ultimate “be all” criterion in my book.

So when you said: “The problem is that my analytical brain turns off and I enjoy the music without thinking too much into what I am hearing. I need to find a way to turn my analytical brain back on.” - that is truly music to my ears!! ;)

What a problem to have!

Chi-Ching! GAME OVER

Can’t wait.

Thank you again!
 
@nenon; Thank you for the reporting Vassil. Very cool. It will be quite interesting/fascinating to hear XDMI in say the Horizon, compared to how your listening notes corresponds. Impressions will undoubtably vary system to system. My quest is XDMI Lampizator Link or bust! I'm dug in here, deep, like in a foxhole, surrounded by an expensive investment of tubes! Interesting times ahead...
 
@TaikoAudio
Iirc, you're working on more black finished Os...
It would be very helpful to know asap what those order numbers are..
I may need, as well as others, may need to change holiday plans based on shipment/delivery...
Thank you
 
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XDMI Analog vs. USB to "your DAC"?
I can’t really answer how it would compare to “your DAC”. But what I am hearing is exceptionally good, and I would not be surprised at all if you feel the same way

Thank you very much for your evaluation. I'm on vacation but following this thread remotely.

Do you have the AES/ebu option? I would expect anyone not planning on using analog or xdmi direct to ignore "USB to their dac" as the least best digital connect option.

Also, could you compare local WAV files vs. streaming or flac?
 
Thank you very much for your evaluation. I'm on vacation but following this thread remotely.

Do you have the AES/ebu option? I would expect anyone not planning on using analog or xdmi direct to ignore "USB to their dac" as the least best digital connect option.

Also, could you compare local WAV files vs. streaming or flac?

That would make it impossible to play anything above 24/192, right?
 
@emile--can you tell us the rough distribution of daughter boards ordered? Are many going for the DD option of AES/ebu or spdif/RCA?
 
I have been super busy and the Olympus XDMI is still burning in. There are a lot of tests I would like to perform but really need the burn-in to settle first, so that I am not testing against a moving target.

Olympus XDMI Analog:
Pretty sure some people are eager to hear my initial impressions, so although a bit early, I will share what I have so far. Here are some of my notes about listening to XDMI analog (only streaming Qobuz with the router/switch/DCD):
  • Presentation is different than what I am used to. It’s really hard to describe what I mean by “different” and I don’t think I have a full grasp on that yet.
  • 3D and holographic - the best I have heard.
  • Sound stage is big - wide and deep.
  • Bass is amazing. Some of the best bass I have heard was coming from really good reel to reel decks playing master tapes (or copies of). The bass from the Olympus XDMI really reminds me of that and it’s the closest I have heard to that. But it’s different. The bass from these analog tapes was more rounded and softer and did not go very low. The bass from the Olympus XDMI is not rounded or soft in any way. And goes low and deep. It kind of has the best of both worlds IMHO.
  • Not so well recordings sound amazing. This is my absolute favorite part about the Olympus XDMI. I just kept listening to music I did not really enjoy on my big system before. I found myself playing full albums of music I never enjoyed in my system before. In fact I realized I never got to playing any of my well recorded reference tracks last night. ****There might be a small caveat to this, though - we audiophiles sometimes like changes to the presentation and we rediscover a lot of old albums but that kind of quickly fades away over time when the initial excitement is over. I don’t think that is the case here but won’t be able to confirm until I spend more time with the Olympus. But it really extracts a lot more musical information from these not so good recordings.
  • The Olympus XDMI really excels in playing complex music with a lot of instruments. Instead of doing a confused mess, it clearly shows where every instrument is, you hear layers and layers, and even the vibrations of each instrument. It’s quite cool. Give it some complex music and watch what it can do. The more complex it is, the better.
  • There is no such thing as digital harshness with the Olympus XDMI. It has all the good properties of good digital (such as clarity, detail, dynamics, fast transients, etc.) without the bad stuff.
  • Last but not least, music is very immersive, involving, engaging, and fluid. This is where I think the comparison with analog comes from. If you think about it having that great bass as the foundation, the absolute best 3D and holographic sound with big-deep-wide soundstage that can render effortlessly complex music and reproduce layers and vibrations - it will be immersive and engaging :).
There are many questions that still need answering, though. And I need more time to answer them. The problem is that my analytical brain turns off and I enjoy the music withouth thinking too much into what I am hearing. I need to find a way to turn my analytical brain back on.

On the negative side… mostly due to burn in:
  • The Olympus is still burning-in. I can hear that. There are ups and downs. There were times when I said “WOW”, times when I jumped out of my seat, and times when I was underwhelmed. So there is more to come.
  • In fact the first three hours were quite underwhelming. I think it took 3.5 hours before the first “WOW”.
  • At times I was wondering if I needed to re-tune my system with different cables, preamp, etc. But this might have been burn-in side effects, because shortly after I did not feel like I needed to do anything.
  • Although not exactly a negative, I will add this here - I found myself listening louder and louder and louder and louder … to levels I should not be listening to. It was just fun to listen loud with no distortions but dangerous for my hearing. Be careful with that.
What about the USB output?
I sold my Extreme, and I couldn’t do a side by side comparison. However, from recollection I feel like the Olympus USB is a lot better than what I was hearing from my Extreme.
A couple of friends offered to bring their Extreme, so we can do proper A/B comparison and I may take them up on that offer. My memory is usually not bad, and I feel like the USB on the Olympus is a lot better.
What is also interesting is that some of that "different" sound presentation I mentioned earlier about XDMI analog is there with USB. That makes me think that not all of that is XDMI... perhaps the BPS and other parts of the Olympus design has something to do with it.

XDMI Analog vs. USB to "my DAC"?
Here is the million (or $50K-ish, 100K-ish, depending on what DAC you have) dollar question - how does the Olympus XDMI analog compare to the Olympus USB to my DAC? Well, that was an easy one. After listening to XDMI analog, I simply cannot go back to USB + my DAC. I tried a couple of times and you really only need a few seconds to realize that. I will keep that answer short as it’s probably the easiest thing to answer.

What is "my DAC"?
“My DAC” is not a commercial DAC but a tube DAC that I built and tweaked over the years myself.
BTW, As someone who likes tubes, I think the Olympus XDMI analog will work great with a very good tube preamp (at least in my system). I have several here to experiment with when I have more time. For these listening tests I was using a passive silver wire autoformer based device similar to the EM/IA Remote Autoformer ones.

XDMI Analog vs. USB to "your DAC"?
I can’t really answer how it would compare to “your DAC”. But what I am hearing is exceptionally good, and I would not be surprised at all if you feel the same way with “your DAC” after listening to XDMI analog. In fact I believe XDMI Analog will outperform many high end DACs.
I will be very curious to follow the feedback about XDMI analog vs. native XDMI in the Lampizator Horizon.

BPS and AC mains?
As expected my system became less dependent on the quality of my mains (AC power) with the battery powered Olympus. I had a pretty significant difference between playing during business hours on weekdays and say around midnight. That itself and the fact that I can enjoy many not very well recorded albums is a big enough reason for me to do this upgrade.

Summary:
I think it's obvious that I liked the Olympus XDMI quite a bit and there is a lot more room for improvement and fine tuning. I've been a speakers-first person, but I really appreciate the source first approach now too. You may be surprised what your system is capable of when you have a source as musical as the Olympus XDMI.
For those who are still on the fence whether to place an order or not before the 5K Euro XDMI promo ends next week, it's quite simple - if you can afford it, go for it. For the rest - if you can trade-in your Extreme, sell your DAC, a power cord, a USB cable, etc. - well you do the math... I know a lot of people who will end up with a net positive $$$ and will have much better sound.
If you are not sure whether it's for you or not, feel free to reach out, and I will be happy to help.

Disclaimers:
After seeing a bunch of thumb-downs on my YouTube shorts (sorry for those who were disappointed - I am not a YouTuber and just wanted to share the moment with those who are eagerly expecting their Olympus), I realized that these posts are being read not only by my friends who I keep in touch with but also by all kinds of people, with different agendas. So, some disclaimers below:
  1. The above is my subjective experience and thoughts. YMMV.
  2. As many of you already know, I am a Taiko dealer, so feel free to take my honest comments with a grain of salt.


Hi Nenon,

I've just reread your report and first impressions.

Very interesting/complete.

Thanks ! :)

It's the first part that piqued my curiosity the most: Olympus XDMI with analogue output.

To put things into context, the analogue output is nothing more than a DAC assembled on a daughterboard of the XDMI interface.

So comparing the Olympus XDMI analogue output comes down to comparing :

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Your first impressions suggest that the Olympus XDMI with the DAC daughterboard is superior to your DAC and the other DACs you've listened to. Wow! :)

I now understand why I got the impression that Emile was holding back when talking about the analogue output, whilst at the same time being impatient to get the first impressions of the first users.

I suspect that the real surprise will be the Olympus XDMI with analogue output.

It seems to me that MSB, dCS and LampizatOr are fairly well represented on the forum.

So it will be really fascinating to read the first impressions of these forum members.

As for me, I'll probably borrow a preamplifier from my dealer (Soulution 725) to make the comparison:

Olympus + XDMI AES/EBU I/O --> Soulution 760
and
Olympus + XDMI Analogue I/O --> Soulution 725

But that won't be for a while.

Even though I'm looking forward to receiving this new toy (who wouldn't be!?) I'm in no particular hurry.

It's summer! Let's make the most of it! :) :)

Cheers,

Thomas
 
I was speaking to Lukasz this morning and as he was the first user and has only the digital card, he is the only one right now who can speak about native XDMI into the Horizon via the Taiko port. I encouraged Lukasz to post his impressions about the digital card and native XDMI here as there are so many LampizatOr users here who also use Taiko and have an Olympus on order. I know he has been very busy but I do hope he will find the time to chime in. There is no doubt in my mind that the analogue card will be revelational and many will forgo their external DAC's It is an A/B comparison that I intend to do but having said that I am a lover of both the crafts of Lukasz and Emile so I am quite anxious to hear Lukasz' impressions of Native XDMI. IIRC Lukasz is also using the KBL XDMI cables so that also is something I am quite interested in as mine have been sitting for over 2 months waiting to make the connection. As I said before, kudos to Lukasz who worked with Emile in Oldenzaal to quickly come up with a LampizatOr interface to bring native XDMI rather than having to use AES/EBU and be limited to 24/192
 
I also agree with Nenon that those sitting the fence should avail themselves quickly before time expires of the Taiko preorder whereby they get both analogue and digital cards. If for no other reason it becomes an easy a/b test to show any interested visitors who are contemplating purchasing an Olympus . I am not a dealer for either Taiko (like Nenon) or LampizatOr like Fred but the work that both have done for we end users and early adopters will make us ambassadors for the products and we should all take pleasure in helping both of these great companies to thrive
 
I was speaking to Llukasz this morning and as he was the first user and has only the digital card, he is the only one right now who can speak about native XDMI into the Horizon via the Taiko port. I encouraged Lukasz to post his impressions about the digital card and native XDMI here as there are so many LampizatOr users here who also use Taiko and have an Olympus on order. I know he has been very busy but I do hope he will find the time to chime in. There is no doubt in my mind that the analogue card will be revelational and many will forgo their external DAC's It is an A/B comparison that I intend to do but having said that I am a lover of both the crafts of Lukasz and Emile so I am quite anxious to hear Lukasz' impressions of Native XDMI. IIRC Lukasz is also using the KBL XDMI cables so that also is something I am quite interested in as mine have been sitting for over 2 months waiting to make the connection. As I said before, kudos to Lukasz who worked with Emile in Oldenzaal to quickly come up with a LampizatOr interface to bring native XDMI rather than having to use AES/EBU and be limited to 24/192
Steve, agree that Lukas and Emile should be congratulated for quickly woking to develop a Native XDMI for Lukasz's DAC.

On the other hand, if XDMI Analogue->Preamp is superior to XDMI Digital-AES/EBU->DAC, which may potentially be the case in a not insignificant number of DACs that don't yet have a Native XDMI implementation, then that will hopefully spur other DAC manufacturers to work with Emile to develop Native XDMI implementations for their DACs as well.

Nevertheless, the interesting comparison reports that we are all looking forward to in the immediate future will be XDMI Analogue->Preamp vs XDMI Native->DAC for the Horizon. That will be revelatory.
 
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Nevertheless, the interesting comparison reports that we are all looking forward to in the immediate future will be XDMI Analogue->Preamp vs XDMI Native->DAC for the Horizon. That will be revelatory.

That is what i am most interested in as well. Most of us won’t be able to A/B the 2 in real time since there is only 1 XDMI board but hopefully our audio memories will suffice in drawing conclusions.
 
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With all due RESPECT regarding the deadline; IMHO it creates more internal turmoil and angst for some who can't get onboard yet. Granted I'm not sure how to implement this discount incentive. How long, when to stop it, etc. Do you keep it in place for a year, a certain amount of months after you actually do start shipping on a regular basis? I would have preferred to wait to order but felt forced/obligated to utilize the discount incentives. All of us are supporters of Taiko and are pulling for them to succeed. That's a given! I'm not looking to stir anything up, but it doesn't look good when deadlines are put forth to end incentives before the product has actually become available...
 
Hi Nenon,

I've just reread your report and first impressions.

Very interesting/complete.

Thanks ! :)

It's the first part that piqued my curiosity the most: Olympus XDMI with analogue output.

To put things into context, the analogue output is nothing more than a DAC assembled on a daughterboard of the XDMI interface.

So comparing the Olympus XDMI analogue output comes down to comparing :

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Your first impressions suggest that the Olympus XDMI with the DAC daughterboard is superior to your DAC and the other DACs you've listened to. Wow! :)
:)

Let's qualify that, as he doesn't have xdmi with the digital daughter board. He is a saying analog out is better than USB to his DAC.

Until someone hears the non-usb digital output.....
Is anyone here ordering the digital AES/ebu card?
 
Let's qualify that, as he doesn't have xdmi with the digital daughter board. He is a saying analog out is better than USB to his DAC.

Until someone hears the non-usb digital output.....
Is anyone here ordering the digital AES/ebu card?
What I understood was that the first Olympus Servers came with both the analog card and the AES/EBU card.
 
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Steve, agree that Lukas and Emile should be congratulated for quickly woking to develop a Native XDMI for Lukasz's DAC.

On the other hand, if XDMI Analogue->Preamp is superior to XDMI Digital-AES/EBU->DAC, which may potentially be the case in a not insignificant number of DACs that don't yet have a Native XDMI implementation, then that will hopefully spur other DAC manufacturers to work with Emile to develop Native XDMI implementations for their DACs as well.

Nevertheless, the interesting comparison reports that we are all looking forward to in the immediate future will be XDMI Analogue->Preamp vs XDMI Native->DAC for the Horizon. That will be revelatory.
Perhaps but my guess is Taiko XDMI will be a game changer
 
What I understood was that the first Olympus Servers came with both the analog card and the AES/EBU card.

You had the choice of 2 daughter boards. Some of us chose the DAC card and the XDMI link to Lampizator so we won’t be getting the digital output card.
 
Is anyone here ordering the digital AES/ebu card?


I did.

I ordered Olympus + Olympus I/O XDMI with AES/EBU digital out pre-installed.

I will also receive the XDMI analogue daughterboard (DAC)

It will be interesting to compare my DAC to the Olympus DAC.

My DAC is a Soulution 760, which is worth 60K Euros or 70K USD.

I'm both curious and worried about making this comparison... :p

Cheers,

Thomas
 

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