A trip to Hugh's Music Barn. A comparison of the MSB Select 2 and the dCS Varese digital systems...

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No sooner than I had received word on the dCS Varese review going public, I got a message from Hugh saying that Scott Carpenter was bringing the Varese to his music room for a comparison to Hugh's MSB Select 2 DAC. I was at the local record store so I walked home and jumped into the car. Finally here was a rare opportunity to compare two flagship digital systems with all else being equal.

As many of you know, Hugh has a flagship Gryphon system of Kodo loudspeakers, Apex stereo amp, and Commander preamp. Line conditioning is a recent Shunyata Everest and cables are a combination of Gryphon Vanta and Shunyata Sigma V2. Digital server is an Innuous Statement server and switch feeding digits into a MSB Select 2 DAC.

After some fiddling with internet service, Scott Carpenter and his friends Matteo and Kevin were able to get it the Varese up and running right in front of the MSB rack. The Select was Input 1 on the Commander and the Varese was Input 2 on same. We used a second basic ethernet cable for the Varese (from the switch) as there was not a second one so a bit of an advantage there for MSB.

Once hooked up and warmed up, everyone felt the Varese was a huge step up over the Select 2 even though it sounded good. But the A/B testing stopped after a while as it was obvious and we were just enthralled with the musical engagement and power of the system. We listened to a wide variety of rock, modern rock, female vocals, big band, and other genres and heard the following:

1. The soundstage was super wide and super deep. It was almost as if the walls disappeared, especially the left and right one.
2. The bass was fuller and more realistic. The Kodo bass towers can really pressurize the room and we felt it viscerally and the waves hit our bodies.
3. There was noticeable more detail and clarity. The low level information I discuss in my review was there and in volume.
4. Vocals were incredibly detailed and lifelike. There was a little bit of sibilance when the Select 2 tried to do vocals.
5. Instrument separation was breathtaking. Every instrument full delineated even in Mancini's big band doing the Pink Panther theme.

There was some consensus on the above aspects but I will ask Hugh to add his own color commentary.

I left the experience not only feeling confirmed on my thoughts on the Varese but also genuinely astonished at what this flagship Gryphon gear is capable of. Wow.

As Scott famously says, our Flabbers were Gasted!


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Well i have to grudgingly admit i was astonished. I have really enjoyed the Select ii (no digital Director) …. However this A/B on my own system was astounding. Every aspect of the audition was on another level and that level was already high. It was not subtle and it confirms the system definitely can showcase new sonic inputs to the systems fullest extent.

Many thanks to Scott Carpenter and crew for making this happen. Incredible experience.
 
Finally here was a rare opportunity to compare two flagship digital systems
...point of information, sir. The Cascade is the current MSB flagship. In my view, that fact in no way diminishes the occasion you described. I would have jumped at the chance to hear those little piggies in the same room myself. Carry on...and thank you for posting those killer pics.
 
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What a great read! That must have been fun! The question is whether Hugh is going to:
- happily keep his MSB
- run out and buy the Varese
- or potentially explore: MSB's latest Cascade, the Wadax Ref, the brand-new Nagra Ref DAC, CH C10 DAC,

BTW, HughP3, since your phenomenal system is clearly cost no object across the board...any guidance on your choice of the Innuos Statement vs Taiko Extreme, Antipodes Oladra, Aurender N30SA, Pink Faun 2.16 Ultra?
 
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What a great read! That must have been fun! The question is whether Hugh is going to:
- happily keep his MSB
- run out and buy the Varese
- or potentially explore: MSB's latest Cascade, the Wadax Ref, the brand-new Nagra Ref DAC, CH C10 DAC,

BTW, HughP3, since your phenomenal system is clearly cost no object across the board...any guidance on your choice of the Innuos Statement vs Taiko Extreme, Antipodes Oladra, Aurender N30SA, Pink Faun 2.16 Ultra?
It was a very fun night!

I am working on getting some Pink Faun gear in for review.
 
It was a very fun night!

I am working on getting some Pink Faun gear in for review.
Great! Just because Oladra is exceptionally well regarded AND has an RJ45 i2s output with clocking which is also considered its best digital out (and exactly what our Zanden DAC requires from the Zanden transport), I was particularly intrigued by it. I believe Pink Faun may also have this option.
 
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What a great read! That must have been fun! The question is whether Hugh is going to:
- happily keep his MSB
- run out and buy the Varese
- or potentially explore: MSB's latest Cascade, the Wadax Ref, the brand-new Nagra Ref DAC, CH C10 DAC,

BTW, HughP3, since your phenomenal system is clearly cost no object across the board...any guidance on your choice of the Innuos Statement vs Taiko Extreme, Antipodes Oladra, Aurender N30SA, Pink Faun 2.16 Ultra?

Lord just when you think your “there” …. It is exciting though i must say hear this in my own system.

currently I have too many other priorities. but this has got me thinking those same what ifs too. Just not right now.

I have no wants for another music server. I did upgrade the Innuos to a dual powerbase. An improvement but subtle. The server has operated perfectly, never an update hiccup nor issues with Roon. It just works. I would like a chance to a/b with a Taiko but no local shops carry it. I think a bigger step up for me will be one of these new statement Dacs coming out. I am in no rush and the wishful thinking is part of the fun.

Hugh
 
Great! Just because Oladra is exceptionally well regarded AND has an RJ45 i2s output with clocking which is also considered its best digital out (and exactly what our Zanden DAC requires from the Zanden transport), I was particularly intrigued by it. I believe Pink Faun may also have this option.
I’m hearing good things!
 
Lord just when you think your “there” …. It is exciting though i must say hear this in my own system.

currently I have too many other priorities. but this has got me thinking those same what ifs too. Just not right now.

I have no wants for another music server. I did upgrade the Innuos to a dual powerbase. An improvement but subtle. The server has operated perfectly, never an update hiccup nor issues with Roon. It just works. I would like a chance to a/b with a Taiko but no local shops carry it. I think a bigger step up for me will be one of these new statement Dacs coming out. I am in no rush and the wishful thinking is part of the fun.

Hugh
Thank you...sounds like a whole load of fun! Good to know about the powerbase. I do like the Innuos being silver disc person. Particularly good to know about reliability. The Zanden Transport has never had a glitch fortunately. Computers often do, so definitely good to know!
 
I’m hearing good things!
Hearing good things about...? The Pink Faun or the Antipodes Oladra? Or both? Hearing anything in particular? Thanks!
 
Hearing good things about...? The Pink Faun or the Antipodes Oladra? Or both? Hearing anything in particular? Thanks!

Pink Faun line.
 
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He should have had a director with the select 2 as the sound is night and day. Much wider and deeper sound stage much more inner detail and naturalness; its like washing a dirty window. Your assessment of the MSB seems right without the director.
 
About to do a review of the more affordable TAD SACD player as well.
Interesting. Good to know. Will look out for that.
 
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He should have had a director with the select 2 as the sound is night and day. Much wider and deeper sound stage much more inner detail and naturalness; its like washing a dirty window. Your assessment of the MSB seems right without the director.
Now that is very good to know.
 
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Well i have to grudgingly admit i was astonished. I have really enjoyed the Select ii (no digital Director) …. However this A/B on my own system was astounding. Every aspect of the audition was on another level and that level was already high. It was not subtle and it confirms the system definitely can showcase new sonic inputs to the systems fullest extent.

Many thanks to Scott Carpenter and crew for making this happen. Incredible experience.
Now that's great, Hugh and Lee! A direct A/B comparison at home! That's what I like!
 
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