That was no denial, Peter. Global warming is a fact, not politics, which is what I factually pointed out. Please don't mischaracterize.
Al
Administrative Recommendation To Remedy Political Discussion and Ad Hominem Attacks
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That was no denial, Peter. Global warming is a fact, not politics, which is what I factually pointed out. Please don't mischaracterize.
Al
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This is our very point. You can see how simple comments elicit knee jerk reactions and how feelings can escalate
And there we go back into impermissible politics. Al, I am afraid you just showed us why we need this policy.
You were wrong to spark another political argument on WBF about where global warming is a fact or not.
Take your global warming opinions off this website.
I understand, Steve. But scientific facts are scientific facts. I do not want to live in a world that accepts anything as "fact" or "alternative fact" to real facts. If we cannot live in a fact-based society, we are doomed. And fake political correctness, a collective kubayah for the sake of "peace", does not help.
We cross-posted, Ron. See my post above.
I am perfectly willing to abide by No Politics. I have proven this by voluntarily deescalating an exchange on that other thread.
However, as a scientist I cannot accept when scientific facts are denied.
It may be politics when it comes to deciding what to do about a scientific fact. But the fact itself is NOT politics.
This is an illustration of why I think that this policy, in order to succeed, will require introspection from the members as well as enforcement by the moderators.
If the global warming threads have proven anything they have proven that this is a highly politically-charged issue. You may be correct; perhaps time will tell. I have no idea. I don’t know, and I don’t care.
What I do know is that this is a highly politically-charged issue, and that your post violates our ban on politics.
Steve and I have responded to your post. We are not debating your point any longer. Your continued posting on this subject is exactly why we need a stronger enforcement mechanism to dissuade members from posting about politics.
Ron, I thought we had already settled this via PM, didn't we? This should have sufficed.
Ands yes, we do not need to debate this any longer.
I did not see your PM until after I posted this. Yes, the issue is closed.
Thank you, Ron!
Cordon off the political threads versus let them happen among all the others? It would not be the location of such that would cause "the unnecessary destruction of high-end audio and music friendships."
Isn't that what happened with the great objectivist vs subjectivist upheaval? Wasn't the objectivist stuff cordoned off?
Just an observation; you wouldn’t need to ban anything if people always posted with respect....the fact that a forum is on the whole anonymous seems to make some people believe that they are off the hook as far as respect goes. That should not be the case....the fact that we don’t know people doesn’t mean they don’t have social responsibility to treat their fellow humans with dignity and respect. A cloak of anonymity doesn’t given anyone a free pass to be a sh1thead. To put it errrr bluntly.
I have to say, I don‘t see this much on this particular forum, but maybe I don’t frequent the right haunts. Quite frankly politics on a hi-fi what’sbestforum probably isn’t really what’sbest and it does tend to bring out ‘behaviour” in a few folk. So gone! Got rid of! Never to be spoken of again! the new ‘P’ word. Heaven knows it seems to be everywhere else at the moment so I don’t feel any sense of loss. I would however like to see blatant disrespectfulness and nastiness addressed in exactly the same manner. I honestly don‘t see why we should ever tolerate it. It may not be a big problem here but its becoming one on other fora(?) so I believe no tolerance is the best way to keep things how most everyone likes it, discussing, debating and sometimes respectfully disagreeing on matters of hi-fi. Discussions need 2 viewpoints and debates 2 sides so disagreement is inherant and even desirable sometimes, so all I’m asking is disagreement with respect and absolutely no abusive stuff.
I have to say, I don‘t see this much on this particular forum, but maybe I don’t frequent the right haunts. Quite frankly politics on a hi-fi what’sbestforum probably isn’t really what’sbest and it does tend to bring out ‘behaviour” in a few folk. So gone! Got rid of! Never to be spoken of again! the new ‘P’ word. Heaven knows it seems to be everywhere else at the moment so I don’t feel any sense of loss. I would however like to see blatant disrespectfulness and nastiness addressed in exactly the same manner. I honestly don‘t see why we should ever tolerate it. It may not be a big problem here but its becoming one on other fora(?) so I believe no tolerance is the best way to keep things how most everyone likes it, discussing, debating and sometimes respectfully disagreeing on matters of hi-fi. Discussions need 2 viewpoints and debates 2 sides so disagreement is inherant and even desirable sometimes, so all I’m asking is disagreement with respect and absolutely no abusive stuff.
Marc
To me this a typical post of yours where either on purpose or not you have a tendency to fan the flames. Knock it off
Actually, it's a serious point. Just what did you/all of you, think would happen w the aforementioned thread?
Some sharing of differing opinions, brotherhood of man stuff? It was always going to be political from the get go. To think otherwise is naive in the extreme.
Yes, my point is serious. Why not have a thread about Brexit? If you think you can keep it apolitical.
And I don't take to being told to knock it off Steve. Nothing political there from you, 100% personal.
Some sharing of differing opinions, brotherhood of man stuff? It was always going to be political from the get go. To think otherwise is naive in the extreme.
Yes, my point is serious. Why not have a thread about Brexit? If you think you can keep it apolitical.
And I don't take to being told to knock it off Steve. Nothing political there from you, 100% personal.
O.k., Marc, you're not actually serious, are you? You really are in it to fan the flames, and you know it.
You guys said that you don't want to delete, to ban, you don't like members (your friends and family) insulting each other, demeaning others, insulting their intelligence, ...yet you don't even follow your own rules.
* It's true that politics is in nowhere, politics is dead dead dead as the most dead particle of dead dust from the Sahara desert. Audio has zero politics behind, high end audio dealers are zero interested in politics, musicians and artist singers and songwriters have zero political views, movies have zero to do with politics, ...politics is in nowhere and has zero place, zero tolérance here in the website you created with all your founding supporters, audiophiles, music lovers from the four corners of the globe.
Sports have nothing to do with politics, it's all in the spirit of fair game, good time, having fun, camaraderie, friendship, good sport, competition, encouragement, kids support for a healthy lifestyle (boxing, football, hockey, etc.).
Cars have zero to do with politics, not gas not electric cars, not Italian or German or American design, no brute force, no power big enough, no footprint, no hi-end status, no social discomfort, no excesses of luxuries, nothing zero nada zip diccaddiddoo to do with politics.
Wines have nothing to do with politics; it's to drink and enjoy in good health (physical and mental).
Ultra hiend audiophiles have zero political interest, not even the smallest tweaks.
Turntables they spin zero politics, only sweet piano and violins.
The space beyond our galaxy have zero politicians flying in, they wouldn't have any audience to feed in. The space we live in is the space we rotate our music into orbit ...
* Typo
* It's true that politics is in nowhere, politics is dead dead dead as the most dead particle of dead dust from the Sahara desert. Audio has zero politics behind, high end audio dealers are zero interested in politics, musicians and artist singers and songwriters have zero political views, movies have zero to do with politics, ...politics is in nowhere and has zero place, zero tolérance here in the website you created with all your founding supporters, audiophiles, music lovers from the four corners of the globe.
Sports have nothing to do with politics, it's all in the spirit of fair game, good time, having fun, camaraderie, friendship, good sport, competition, encouragement, kids support for a healthy lifestyle (boxing, football, hockey, etc.).
Cars have zero to do with politics, not gas not electric cars, not Italian or German or American design, no brute force, no power big enough, no footprint, no hi-end status, no social discomfort, no excesses of luxuries, nothing zero nada zip diccaddiddoo to do with politics.
Wines have nothing to do with politics; it's to drink and enjoy in good health (physical and mental).
Ultra hiend audiophiles have zero political interest, not even the smallest tweaks.
Turntables they spin zero politics, only sweet piano and violins.
The space beyond our galaxy have zero politicians flying in, they wouldn't have any audience to feed in. The space we live in is the space we rotate our music into orbit ...
* Typo
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I think Marc's point is a thread on global warming is as likely to be apolitical as a thread about Brexit, or as non controversial as a thread that says digital is better than analog. I do agree to Tima's idea to have a political subforum at least on trial basis. If it keeps people happy for a month or two continue with it else close it
FWIW, I have some simple recommendations for the admins as well, also covered in part by others:
1) Close political threads immediately
2) Do not bother responding to private complaints - cut down on your management duties
3) Do not punish or put anyone on notice in such threads, just do #1
All these achieve quick resolution with the minimum amount of friction and management time
PS: @Al M. follow me on facebook if you want, you're gonna love it
1) Close political threads immediately
2) Do not bother responding to private complaints - cut down on your management duties
3) Do not punish or put anyone on notice in such threads, just do #1
All these achieve quick resolution with the minimum amount of friction and management time
PS: @Al M. follow me on facebook if you want, you're gonna love it
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