Apogee Full range

[ddk]

If I had the funds to commission a pair of Definitives, I would be all over it. That's how I feel about the "Apogee sound".

Lee

AFAIK the Definitiv doesn't exist beyond an experiment but Analysis Audio is a real company with real products at real prices yet neither one of us has gone for it nor acquired a used pair of Apogees. Is it what we couldn't live with in the past that's holding us back?

david

 

[Steve williams]

AFAIK the Definitiv doesn't exist beyond an experiment but Analysis Audio is a real company with real products at real prices yet neither one of us has gone for it nor acquired a used pair of Apogees. Is it what we couldn't live with in the past that's holding us back?

david

There are certainly great amps that would drive them now David but I'm betting you would never leave SET amps

 

[ddk]

There are certainly great amps that would drive them now David but I'm betting you would never leave SET amps

Exactly, don't want to be tied down to a limited no. of high powered, high current amps again! In the case of the Definitive, 6 channels of anything!
david

 

[Zero000]

David - there's no point in trying to convince your skepticism. Your viewpoint is what it is and I know you feel badly bitten on the Grands. Fair enough. Stay that way.

But they weren't Graz's product. They were original Apogee.

I can see you are not going to be the one buying a custom built car.

 

[ddk]

David - there's no point in trying to convince your skepticism. Your viewpoint is what it is and I know you feel badly bitten on the Grands. Fair enough. Stay that way.

But they weren't Graz's product. They were original Apogee.

I can see you are not going to be the one buying a custom built car.

That Depends on the maker User211… Like you mentioned I already bought a POS from a trusted source and besides, what am I supposed to be convinced of here? A none existent product that no one has ever heard properly, made by a guy that you wouldn't even send your own speakers for repairs and who can't even run them because they need a ridiculous 6 channels of amplification and missing a proper crossover from a 7 year old web page for an enormous sum of money? Come on, let's get real here.

david

 

[bonzo75]

I think the conversation turned too much to the definitive. The FR and grands can definitely be repaired easily by restorers and if I had the surplus money and the room, it would be the grands. Someday I will manage that room and get the FR. Only thing for me now is to find out if divas give anywhere near the mid magic I heard that day, because an older pair of divas I heard did not do that.

 

[Zero000]

Graz is the top man in the world, David. The reputation is there. No one is better with Apogee than Graz.

 

[Zero000]

I'm not knocking Henk, by the way, who seems pretty incredible too. He doesn't make what makes them tick, though i.e. the ribbons.

 

[ddk]

Graz is the top man in the world, David. The reputation is there. No one is better with Apogee than Graz.

Wasn't arguing that!
david

 

[microstrip]

I think the conversation turned too much to the definitive. The FR and grands can definitely be repaired easily by restorers and if I had the surplus money and the room, it would be the grands. Someday I will manage that room and get the FR. Only thing for me now is to find out if divas give anywhere near the mid magic I heard that day, because an older pair of divas I had did not do that.

Can we get materials to carry DIY repairs or rebuilding them? One think I loved about the Quad ESL's was the possibility of servicing them myself - I had a great time rebuilding an ESL63 panel!

Unfortunately I did not manage yet to get a very low resistivity formulation to rebuilt my old Soundlabs.

 

[bonzo75]

There are many diy recommendations on apogee on their forum but don't think Graz ribbons can be restored by anyone other than a restorer

 

[BobM]

I think Graz will sell you the tweeter for a DIY project, but nothing else. He told me there were so many complications with the bass ribbon installation process that people screwed it up and broke the fragile ribbon all the time, so he leaves it to his trained installers only now.

 

[ddk]

I think the conversation turned too much to the definitive. The FR and grands can definitely be repaired easily by restorers and if I had the surplus money and the room, it would be the grands. Someday I will manage that room and get the FR. Only thing for me now is to find out if divas give anywhere near the mid magic I heard that day, because an older pair of divas I had did not do that.

My Divas had the midrange magic when driven by tubes and full range glory when driven by the Lamm M2.1s. Where our disconnect is regarding the sensitivity and amount of modifications done to Apogee systems that you've posted about. The only Apogee based ribbons I've heard properly are a couple from Analysis Audio. You already heard one of them at Nick's which I'm very familiar with. Initially he was using a pair of the large Joules Electra monoblocks, sound was decent and very pleasant but after a while he recognized that the speakers weren't driven properly, even in his smallish room so he changed over to the Lamm M2.2 that you heard. His is the closest to my Diva/Lamm system with identical front ends and I can tell you that the AA's don't sound anything like the Divas, that's what makes me wonder about the modded pairs you heard.

david

 

[bonzo75]

The analysis have a better mid range compared to stock apogee. But the amphi don't have the sheer wtf balls and mid magic I heard in the big two

 

[ddk]

The analysis have a better mid range compared to stock apogee. But the amphi don't have the sheer wtf balls and mid magic I heard in the big two

Agree with your 2nd sentence, its all about the magic but not sure why you think AA's have the better mids.

david

 

[bonzo75]

Btw, those analysis were modded as well. The stock analysis don't have the same level of bass, resolution, and loss out a bit on high frequencies. The US analysis distro has a series of crossover mods that he adds to the stock price. Nicks have the highest level, duelund crossovers

 

[ddk]

Btw, those analysis were modded as well. The stock analysis don't have the same level of bass, resolution, and loss out a bit on high frequencies. The US analysis distro has a series of crossover mods that he adds to the stock price. Nicks have the highest level, duelund crossovers

I know, heard Nick's before and after. You heard the system with that filter box (forgot the name) in line, IMO the whole system sounds much better without it and definitely not as dry.

david

 

[microstrip]

There are many diy recommendations on apogee on their forum but don't think Graz ribbons can be restored by anyone other than a restorer

So this means shipping the whole speaker when you have a ribbon problem?

 

[bonzo75]

So this means shipping the whole speaker when you have a ribbon problem?

Not sure, and don't think so, if the restorer is in the country or continent. Justin might know. If your ribbon breaks, it is a small portable package that needs manual fixing expertise.

 

[bonzo75]

I know, heard Nick's before and after. You heard the system with that filter box (forgot the name) in line, IMO the whole system sounds much better without it and definitely not as dry.

david

Bsg QOL