Apogee Full range

[Zero000]

So this means shipping the whole speaker when you have a ribbon problem?

Bass panels - installer only. Other ribbons - you should be able to do yourself. But I would advise against it. Especially complex Scintilla type arrangements.

Bass panels turned out to be too skilled a job. People think they can do it but there were so many screw ups it HAD to stop. There are some YouTube videos showing how to do it and you don't want to go there. It isn't trivial for the majority. The bigger the model, the harder it will be. Also, you might think the ribbons are a problem when in fact they are not.

See here: http://www.apogeeacoustics.com/repairsapogeeribbons.html

 

[bonzo75]

Justin, but for bass panels the installer can come over and restore at your place?

 

[Zero000]

Only if you can talk one into it.

Jon upgraded my MRT ribbons at my place.

Bass panels can be more than a days work esp if there are other issues.

 

[thekong]

I have some questions about the differences between the Apogee and Analysis, which I couldn’t find any information in Analysis website, so I hope some members can help.

1. Form their website, I believe Analysis’ mid/treble ribbons have backing (Mylar or Kapton I think), rather than the foil only ribbons on some of the bigger Apogees (like Fullrange and Diva). However, are the Analysis mid/treble ribbons true ribbon (free hanging with connections only at the top and bottom) or Quasi-ribbons like those on the Magneplanars ?

2. For the bass panels, just looking at some of the photos, I think while the cabinet opening is trapezoid, the actually bass driver is rectangular, is that right? Also, I read somewhere that the construction of Analysis’ bass unit is closer to that of the Magneplanar than the Apogee, again, is that correct ?

Thanks in advance.

 

[bonzo75]

Hi Kong, email Mike over the analysis audio USA website, he is a helpful guy

 

[Ron Resnick]

Ron, as a former owner of full-ranges, I will tell you that they provide plenty of slam. When Mickey Hart pushes over the "Beast" drum kit on Reference Recordings' Dafos, I thought the walls of my room would come down. Yes, I was using 4 Krell monoblocks (KMA-160, so not "super-powerful or expensive). Better, more powerful (more current) amps would only increase this intensity.

Vocals are very pure as well. I remember being somewhat disappointed with the sound of Eric Clapton's vocals on his "Unplugged" album when played through my next pair of speakers! (Had to downsize due to space, still regret getting rid of the Apogees).

You owe it to yourself to audition the panels, just so you will personally understand the special nature of their sound. Whether it is exactly what you desire......

Lee

Dear Lee and bonzo,

Ok. We are visiting Henk in July!

 

[bonzo75]

Dear Lee and bonzo,

Ok. We are visiting Henk in July!

Good to hear. The only caveat for you is he plays only digital (streams from a PC) and uses SS amps. Take a whisky bottle for him when you go

 

[RBFC]

Found this:



Lee

 

[christoph]

Those are the Grands of a friend of mine.
They are completely overhauled.
I have to admit that I haven't heard them since he changed to the NAT Transmiters but I'm sure they now sound even better than before.

 

[RBFC]

Tell him he has a beautiful system! Are those original ribbons or Graz?

Lee

 

[christoph]

I will tell him. I would like to hear the new Transmitters anyways.
Those Grands are completely overhauled from scratch. So yes, the ribbons and panels are from Graz and installed by Henk IIRC.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Tell him he has a beautiful system! Are those original ribbons or Graz?

Lee

+1

 

[bonzo75]

Hi I was there at Florian's last Sunday. Can't chat much now but while those were Graz they are not Henk modded. Great system. He is constrained by the room though and has a null running through the centre.

 

[RBFC]

Hi I was there at Florian's last Sunday. Can't chat much now but while those were Graz they are not Henk modded. Great system. He is constrained by the room though and has a null running through the centre.

I found you can ameliorate certain nulls with the full ranges by distance from the wall behind the speakers. Of course, he may be constrained with placement limitations.

Lee

 

[christoph]

Today I listened to a pair of Odeon 32 horns, driven by my KR Audio 350i tube integrated, and even though I'm a die-hard Apogee lover, I have to admit, that it sounded absolutely superb. I think I could easily live with that.
I don't know if I would sell my Studio Grands for those Odeons but I would love to have them as an alternative pair.

Btw. my trusted KR Audio 350i integrated blew the combi of the VTL preamp and the Pass XA60.8 out of the water. I almost felt sorry for the combi but the KR really was that much better.

 

[bonzo75]

I found you can ameliorate certain nulls with the full ranges by distance from the wall behind the speakers. Of course, he may be constrained with placement limitations.

Lee

Room size restricts that - he has 2m behind the speaker and 3m to the listener. Not much space to change that. This is quite different to Henk's set up, which while similar distance to the front wall, has 5 - 6m to the listener with 2 more behind him, and allows diffusers to be placed on the front wall as the listener is at a good distance from them. That said, the NATs were driving it effortlessly in terms of speed but I had to sometimes stand up and face a speaker to try to extrapolate my experience with the Henk Grands and Full ranges to see if these speakers would create the same slam and bass in those rooms. I strongly feel they will.

This system has all Graz ribbons, while Henk has Graz for the bass and original for the mids on his Grands.

I found Florian a super persisten individual. He bough these grands at 22, and spent 7 years working on them to get them right as they were partially broken. He drove 14 hours back after he picked them up in a rented truck. He showed me pics of how the Grands were moved around, as this is the 4th location he has housed them in. Amazing guy.

 

[bonzo75]

Today I listened to a pair of Odeon 32 horns, driven by my KR Audio 350i tube integrated, and even though I'm a die-hard Apogee lover, I have to admit, that it sounded absolutely superb. I think I could easily live with that.
I don't know if I would sell my Studio Grands for those Odeons but I would love to have them as an alternative pair.

Btw. my trusted KR Audio 350i integrated blew the combi of the VTL preamp and the Pass XA60.8 out of the water. I almost felt sorry for the combi but the KR really was that much better.

Hi Christoph, I have been struggling to find a good set of smaller apogees to to match horns. I still have to listen to a good Henk restored Duetta or Diva, and I would like to. However, I haven't heard any horn remotely match up to his grands, no matter what the size of the horn. If I had the money and the room, I would buy out his system. I haven't felt that with any other system. And I would then add a Western Electric 16A on the long wall with a 6w 300b amp. You should pay him a visit once, and when I go to Leipzig to listen to WEs, will let you know. Maybe you can join.

I have heard the Odeon 28s with multiple amps including Jadis pre + Einstein power, NAT magnetostat pre, Chord SS, and New Audio Frontier. Berlin Hifi stocks all of those. He also has KR

 

[RBFC]

Room size restricts that - he has 2 feet behind the speaker and 3 feet to the listener. Not much space to change that. This is quite different to Henk's set up, which while similar distance to the front wall, has 5 - 6m to the listener with 2 more behind him, and allows diffusers to be placed on the front wall as the listener is at a good distance from them. That said, the NATs were driving it effortlessly in terms of speed but I had to sometimes stand up and face a speaker to try to extrapolate my experience with the Henk Grands and Full ranges to see if these speakers would create the same slam and bass in those rooms. I strongly feel they will.

This system has all Graz ribbons, while Henk has Graz for the bass and original for the mids on his Grands.

I found Florian a super persisten individual. He bough these grands at 22, and spent 7 years working on them to get them right as they were partially broken. He drove 14 hours back after he picked them up in a rented truck. He showed me pics of how the Grands were moved around, as this is the 4th location he has housed them in. Amazing guy.

Boy, that's not much space!!! I feel that they need a 6m long room at minimum....

Lee

 

[bonzo75]

Boy, that's not much space!!! I feel that they need a 6m long room at minimum....

Lee

Apologies I got my feet and meters mixed up . 2m behind the speakers and 3m to the listener. Now corrected.

 

[RBFC]

Apologies I got my feet and meters mixed up . 2m behind the speakers and 3m to the listener. Now corrected.

I feel better now! Thanks!

Lee