ATC VS WILSON SASHA
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Since the 3 inch middome is an ATC product development idea, there has never been many speakers that had it. ATC wont sell it OEM these days as ATC's own finished speaker sales are absorbing the entire production.
Brad
Among ATC's strong selling points, in my opinion. When making buying decisions, I consider whether a company has a long and stable history of ownership, enjoys a good reputation among professionals, and shows a commitment to continuing research and development. I figure such a company is likely to stay in business well into the future and take pride in servicing its products in the long term. I really like the fact that ATC makes its own drivers.
T. A. E. Brown
Franconia, New Hampshire USA
Everyone used to build drivers- now hardly anyone does. Even big players have moved away from this, it such a different business. A very different set of engineers and assemblers and also a "dirty" business with lot of chemicals and environmental issues. I remember EV used to build everything on site in Buchanan and it eventually became an EPA supersite- EPA even removed the dirt under the old plant! Even some that advertise "their own driver" have a variant of something common made just for them OEM. Then they can say its "just ours". NO way to tell if the variant is completely unique or just a different part number with a small cosmetic variation. Its getting hard to tell if a manufacturer really makes drivers in house anymore and it can be a very big deal. I know that 3 inch mid dome ATC builds is a crazy overbuilt part- 3 inch voice coil, double suspension, huge motor, it would not be possible to make money selling it OEM. NO one could pay the price of the part!
The topics of the ideal target response curve in a room and dsp have been discussed endlessly in many threads here. To cut to the chase, nobody advocates a flat frequency response at the listening position in most rooms. Variants of the Harmon curve and B&K microphoine curves seem to be the most popular solutions that deliver the best sound in most rooms.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...flat-target-curve-to-harmans-pro-curve.17823/
Does DSP belong in State of the Art Systems?
I've ordered a MiniDSP 2x4hd to play with. I'm going to play with only the crossover fuction as well as the timing/delay functions. It will sit between my DAC/PRE and one pair of RCAs going to my mains and the other pair going to my subs. I'm hoping/expecting better integration between my subs...
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I do not see the connection between your statement and mine. DSP and room measurement is about "fixing" a room/speaker interface problem so its a task that occurs AFTER you buy the speakers. Yes, this has been debated endlessly.The topics of the ideal target response curve in a room and dsp have been discussed endlessly in many threads here. To cut to the chase, nobody advocates a flat frequency response at the listening position in most rooms. Variants of the Harmon curve and B&K microphoine curves seem to be the most popular solutions that deliver the best sound in most rooms.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...flat-target-curve-to-harmans-pro-curve.17823/
Does DSP belong in State of the Art Systems?
I've ordered a MiniDSP 2x4hd to play with. I'm going to play with only the crossover fuction as well as the timing/delay functions. It will sit between my DAC/PRE and one pair of RCAs going to my mains and the other pair going to my subs. I'm hoping/expecting better integration between my subs...
I was talking about the practical reality of setting up a pair of speakers in a random listening room, our room or a customer's room, as a normal person would without measurement gear. It is VERY difficult, armed with speakers and gear to drive them, to achieve a proper demo of a pair of speakers in a typical living room or studio. The room influences the sound so dramatically as to make "the speakers sound" unrecognizable compared to the speaker sound outside the room (free space).
I have experienced this hundreds of times over the 45 years involved in the wholesale of pro and consumer. Whether the speakers "win", are judged as better, is almost always how room affects them, how it changes the speaker's sound, how the changes help or hurt this new speaker vs the one you already own; not how the speakers actually sound as designed. I am saddened by customers who plop speakers down in the same spot over and over and pronounce "that's where they go" and never try and move them around to experiment. This is not a problem just in consumer, studios do the same thing. They would rather buy new speakers because "those don't sound good in my room". No, the truth is nothing sounds good in that spot in that room. When as little as 2 inches of change in placement could make all the difference in the world in the sound, it's a shame this remains unexplored. The lack of performance is almost always blamed on speakers when it was always room.
Brad
It is a shame that many buy and sell speakers based on opinions that are really So my point was most of us never ever hear the speakers as they are supposed to sound, we hear them as our room affects them.
Brad
I think we're more in agreement than you realize and that our posts are in fact very inter-related. The posts I sent do discuss dsp but mostly, the fact that the room is the 800 lb gorilla. You don't necessarily need dsp to fix that. These days there is almost no excuse for anyone with an iPhone not to use a free spectrum analyzer to facilitate optimum speaker placement in their room. DSP is not required, just some education and often modest listening effort.
Marty
I think we're more in agreement than you realize and that our posts are in fact very inter-related. The posts I sent do discuss dsp but mostly, the fact that the room is the 800 lb gorilla. You don't necessarily need dsp to fix that. These days there is almost no excuse for anyone with an iPhone not to use a free spectrum analyzer to facilitate optimum speaker placement in their room. DSP is not required, just some education and often modest listening effort.
Marty
Is anyone coming to T.H.E Long Beach today or tomorrow? We are doing active vs passive demos of the floor stand ATC SCM 50. We are on the second floor.
Brad
Brad
I've owned both Avantgarde Duos and ATC SCM100ASLT speakers in the same room. The Duos were powered by either very good SET monos or very good conventional tube power amps and other top notch, expensive components upstream like a Walker Proscenium Gold turntable (over $100k today). The ATCs, with much more modest components upstream, absolutely crush any Avantgarde speaker I've ever heard at any price. Since I was an Avantgarde dealer, I have plenty of experience with this speaker line. I wouldn't touch them today as a dealer since they have become grossly overpriced and there are far better offerings at much less cost.
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