Best Speaker for 100k
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I know my MM7 numbers....
-3db 7hz, -6db 3hz.
it has headroom to spare for anything music or real world ambience that a recording includes can dish out.
and, of course, the bass towers are actively powered....so your main amp does not get stressed while doing the deep bass.
in the case of the MM7's, the main towers crossover to the bass towers in the 25hz-50hz range. the main towers roll off passively with little left under 30hz. the bass towers have an adjustable crossover as well as other adjustments for smooth integration. my particular set-up right now has the crossover at 37hz.
if you listen to the main towers by themselves on about two thirds of musical selections there is something noticeably missing. but one third sounds about right. the most amazing thing is how much better the mids and highs are with the bass towers turned on. which tells us just how poor our intuition about how things likely work is.
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Steve,
How they do it, it's something that only Kevin would be able to explain
But from what I understood, the external box complements the crossover circuits in the main cabinet, so they work together. At first, I assumed that by hooking up the external box, the internal crossover would be entirely bypassed, but that is definitely not the case.
Zephyr,
We have our MM3 EXACTs available, and if you want to check them out, San Diego/Southern California is not that bad of a place for a visit
Full specs for the Evolution speakers are here:
http://evolutionacoustics.com/evolution-acoustics2/specifications-for-group-brochure-4.pdf
So, basically, MM3s do 10Hz at -3db and 7Hz at -10dB.
All that, and still being a 93dB @ 6ohms efficient speaker.
cheers,
alex
USD $40000, which is also the cost difference between a new MM3 and an MM3 EXACT.
Regarding bass roll off , i would nt always go by the numbers provided by the speaker manufacturer, usually they are very optimistic
As it is hard to verify by the buyer themself , and there is not really a test standard in audio .
Soundstage doing the best test imo , testing bass output / roll off in an anechoic chamber , which says something , although placed in a room other factors come into play.
The lowest Resonance freq of a woofer i know off is the one i use in my design its 18 hz
http://www.eton-gmbh.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Produkte/Home-Hifi/Baesse/11_581_50Hex.pdf
Its even lower then its larger brother which i also use .
Trust your ears on this one and preferably have them placed in your room for an amount of time.
Further: large amount of membrane surface is a different thing from ultimate extension and has a quality in its own.
There is an old russian saying that says : quantity has a quality of its own
As it is hard to verify by the buyer themself , and there is not really a test standard in audio .
Soundstage doing the best test imo , testing bass output / roll off in an anechoic chamber , which says something , although placed in a room other factors come into play.
The lowest Resonance freq of a woofer i know off is the one i use in my design its 18 hz
http://www.eton-gmbh.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Produkte/Home-Hifi/Baesse/11_581_50Hex.pdf
Its even lower then its larger brother which i also use .
Trust your ears on this one and preferably have them placed in your room for an amount of time.
Further: large amount of membrane surface is a different thing from ultimate extension and has a quality in its own.
There is an old russian saying that says : quantity has a quality of its own
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And extending the roll off beyond the electrical resonance freq, and not distort??
Having a steeper roll off with a smaller volume and vice versa yes , but raising the efficiency of a woofer with a larger volume and lowering the resonace freq below the specs i dont see that happen.
But hey if somebody could explain it to me preferably with measurments without faling into internet laws off physics , i am always willing to learn.
And if there exist stiff non resonant woofers with a lower Resonance freq without distortion please let me know,
Having a steeper roll off with a smaller volume and vice versa yes , but raising the efficiency of a woofer with a larger volume and lowering the resonace freq below the specs i dont see that happen.
But hey if somebody could explain it to me preferably with measurments without faling into internet laws off physics , i am always willing to learn.
And if there exist stiff non resonant woofers with a lower Resonance freq without distortion please let me know,
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Thank you all in the last few posts for the info on the MM3s, MM3+Exact and MM7s. The prospect of hopping a flight to San Diego and possibly Portland area to hear them is not a bad idea at all. Will anyone be featuring them at Capital Audio Fest in early July?
I agree there are many games that get played with speaker and other specs in the industry but if someone gives accurate frequency specs with rolloff qualifiers, it at least gives you an idea where you start viz the speaker's ability to play the material, and range thereof that you like. I recognize the fact that there is variability in test methods and that they are lab or anechoic in nature; it's all about the final component, i.e. how that speaker performs and what frequencies it can attain in the room it is installed in...
These are definitely on the must-listen list for sooner rather than later....on a related note, has anyone heard VSA's latest ULTRA9 or ULTRA11s and the VR9SE MK2s? Tidal Agoria and Akira also have peaked my interest as of late...Anyone have any thoughts on these speaker offerings or any other like Eggleston Works Savoys & Ivys (would love their speakers to be more efficient but the sound is very good to say the least...)?
Thanks all...have a great Sunday!!!
I agree there are many games that get played with speaker and other specs in the industry but if someone gives accurate frequency specs with rolloff qualifiers, it at least gives you an idea where you start viz the speaker's ability to play the material, and range thereof that you like. I recognize the fact that there is variability in test methods and that they are lab or anechoic in nature; it's all about the final component, i.e. how that speaker performs and what frequencies it can attain in the room it is installed in...
These are definitely on the must-listen list for sooner rather than later....on a related note, has anyone heard VSA's latest ULTRA9 or ULTRA11s and the VR9SE MK2s? Tidal Agoria and Akira also have peaked my interest as of late...Anyone have any thoughts on these speaker offerings or any other like Eggleston Works Savoys & Ivys (would love their speakers to be more efficient but the sound is very good to say the least...)?
Thanks all...have a great Sunday!!!
A 10k speaker in a 90k room is best....assuming the room engineering is up to snuff. A glistening monolith in a crappy space is not worth much.
I just got fed the information that the apogee grands were the costlier speaker made back then, at 85k USD which translates to 300k ish today. The full ranges were made much earlier, but when the grands were made the model made before was the Diva, at 9.5k. The grands were 10 times more. To put it in perspective, imagine a Wilson 10 times the cost of Alexia.
Agreed if you want optimum performance , but a 100 K speaker speaker in a optimized big room will or can be substantially better then the cheaper one , big rooms need big speakers and good big speakers cost $$$
Price is only relative in audio , important to either newbies or status buyers imo , you need to know what you re after and how to do it , so knowledge is far more important in building a top system
Price is only relative in audio , important to either newbies or status buyers imo , you need to know what you re after and how to do it , so knowledge is far more important in building a top system
For a well known speaker(i havent heard all the contenders) my vote would be the wilson maxx 3 /possibly X 2 or a used Q 7 , i have doubts about the maxx 3 replacement Alexx as it uses no more the focal audiom woofers but hard paper pulp woofers and its not easy to get that material stiff enough for a bassmembrane imo especially when driven to the maxx
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Geardaddy: Assume you mean $90K system+room,.....That is one of the coolest and most thought-provoking statements I've ever seen on any audio forum; definitely challenges 'the itch' that we all get from time to time (or daily!) to spend big $$$ on one thing or another (especially speakers) to get closer to listening nirvana, and remind me/us that balanced thinking is more the way to go about it.... Thank you!
Hey zephyr24069. My point of emphasis was the room, but the same logic could certainly be applied to a "90K system+ room." I am no audio sage....just a rube who has made a litany of mistakes (in the context of the usual audiophile arrogance of course
).I had to look up where Greer was. I am in Charlotte.
"I am no audio sage....just a rube who has made a litany of mistakes (in the context of the usual audiophile arrogance of course)"....
Good Morning! So have I, trust me when I tell you that! It's amazing the ups, downs and lateral-moves in this hobby/obsession.
We are right on the border of Greenville & Greer off Exit 54 on 85 South,....not to far from CLT at all....Mmmmm, time for some listening!
Trying to put something together with 1-2 others from Rock Hill/CLT area,....you in?
)"....Good Morning! So have I, trust me when I tell you that! It's amazing the ups, downs and lateral-moves in this hobby/obsession.
We are right on the border of Greenville & Greer off Exit 54 on 85 South,....not to far from CLT at all....Mmmmm, time for some listening!
Trying to put something together with 1-2 others from Rock Hill/CLT area,....you in?
