Bi-amping With "Y" Splitter: Any Impedance Problem?

One amplifier has an input impedance of 200,000 ohms, and the other amplifier has an input impedance of 100,000 ohms. So I think the calculated input impedance seen by the preamp is 66,000 ohms.

The interconnect run is 50 feet long. I am using low capacitance cable.
With the Y splitter near the end, so short cables to the two amplifiers? I started to run the numbers but am lazy. I don't think it will be enough to matter. Here is a simulation for 50' of typical single-ended RG-6 type cable at 16.2 pF/ft, 1 k-ohm preamp output, 66,667-ohm load in parallel with 2 nF for the amplifiers, ignoring the splitter (assumed short so insignificant contribution. The RG-6 model includes distributed resistance, capacitance, and inductance. Loss at 10 Hz is 0.13 dB, and the -3 dB bandwidth is 58.4 kHz. Doubt it will be a problem for you.

You may have to watch out for a ground loop using a single-ended run.

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8w 300b biamped with class D amp. Will be good to hear Ron's videos when he finishes biamping

 
With the Y splitter near the end, so short cables to the two amplifiers? I started to run the numbers but am lazy. I don't think it will be enough to matter. Here is a simulation for 50' of typical single-ended RG-6 type cable at 16.2 pF/ft, 1 k-ohm preamp output, 66,667-ohm load in parallel with 2 nF for the amplifiers, ignoring the splitter (assumed short so insignificant contribution. The RG-6 model includes distributed resistance, capacitance, and inductance. Loss at DC is 0.13 dB, and the -3 dB bandwidth is 58.4 kHz. Doubt it will be a problem for you.

You may have to watch out for a ground loop using a single-ended run.

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Thank you very much for this analysis!
 
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no, active preamp
SS or tube? 1 k-ohm is pretty high for a typical preamp, though might be reasonable for a tube pre-amp. Whatever, the engineering side says it should work fine. I make no prediction about the audiophile part. :)
 
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Somehow forgot to post, or deleted, the schematic for the previous simulation. This uses LTSpice, a free Spice simulator that is pretty well-regarded and easy to use.

IL = length = 50'
Rc = center resistance/foot, Lc = inductance/foot, Cc = capacitance/foot, RSc = shield resistance/ft
Rpre = preamp output = 1 k-ohm, Ramp = amp input = 66.667 k-ohm (both in parallel), Camp = amp input = 2 nF

The coax is Belden RG-6 type 1530A, a common coax for audio/video systems. O1 is a lossy transmission line model used to simulate distributed RLC parameters.

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No he is trying to keep Jadis for midrange and have the Westminster for power.

Interesting , so how does Ron plan on gain matching , not to mention the odd load to the preamp , the different Sonic hand offs will be noticeable with the Clarysis bass panel running as high as 500 hz..!

IMO , It’s best to run an active xover with gain stage in this situation , passive parallel is best with identical amps for load and gain.

Ron also need to verify if both amps are non inverting, same phase is important ..

Good way to play around and burn sometime i guess .. :)
 
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No he is trying to keep Jadis for midrange and have the Westminster or Hegel for power.

The Jadis for the top sort of makes sense.
Assuming that the frequency is low, then why not just run a class-D for the bottom side?
What will a Westminster or Hegel do for such low frequencies?

Matching amplifiers? What fun is that?
What is the general cutoff point? Or XO point?

Interesting , so how does Ron plan on gain matching , not to mention the odd load to the preamp
What is odd about 67k ohms?
Most preamps can drive amps between 20k and 200k ohms, with no issues.

, the different Sonic hand offs will be noticeable with the Clarysis bass panel running as high as 500 hz..!
You mean sonics of the amp?
(If so I agree.)

IMO , It’s best to run an active xover with gain stage in this situation , passive parallel is best with identical amps for load and gain.
^Generally… I agree.^
Or a DSP to do the active part, but there are varying DSP approaches.

A passive at the front is sort of stacking the passive XO with the speaker’s XO.
At least with a DSP it is possible to retain phase if it is FIR based, and if some latency is acceptable or correctable for HT.
Probably not a concern with music.

Another way would be to HPF between the preamp and Jadis, and then run that Jadis output to the upper inputs.
Then pull off the signal from the upper inputs, and low-pass-boost it, to get back the signal level.
(But the Jadis is not wasting energy on low frequency voltage excursion.)

Then it will have the character of the Jadis implanted onto the bass side.
That would be easiest done with a DSP and Class-D amp, but one could get some small time delays, so it should be IIR filters.
One could also do it in analogue.
Then the gain matching is pretty much done, and the voicing is good, assuming that the “bass amp” is “cleaner” than the Jadis.

Ron also needs to verify if both amps are non inverting, same phase is important ..
^Yep^ good point.
 
Just remembered, the late Pietro before his Yamamura had the apogee full range triamped with 4 box Jadis 200, 4 box Jadis 500, and 2 krells with a levinson cross over.

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Maybe I am reincarnated from Pietro?
 
Well yes given you will end up with a horn
Please do not hold your breath on this.

I very recently became acquainted with David Freund, who is the great nephew of Sigmund Freud. David told me that his wife, Linda,* by swinging a special pendulum, communicates with the dead, including with Sigmund Freud. David said that, through the medium of Linda, Sigmund has been refining his views and communicating them to David and Linda. David has been taking extensive notes. See https://www.thehealinggift.com/

So, apparently, Pietro could change his mind about horns in the afterlife. Offered the opportunity of the Clarisys (itself reincarnated from Apogee) I bet Pietro would abandon horns and build a new system around Clarisys Auditoriums.

*David told me that Linda also has had conversations with John Lennon, who, she discovered, was reincarnated from Lewis Carroll. How does Linda have the special power to learn all of this? She, herself, was reincarnated from Queen Nefertiti.
 
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Please do not hold your breath on this.

I very recently became acquainted with David Freund, who is the great nephew of Sigmund Freud. David told me that his wife, Linda,* by swinging a special pendulum, communicates with the dead, including with Sigmund Freud. David said that, through the medium of Linda, Sigmund has been refining his views and communicating them to David and Linda. David has been taking extensive notes.

So, apparently, Pietro could change his mind about horns in the afterlife. Offered the opportunity of the Clarisys (itself reincarnated from Apogee) I bet Pietro would abandon horns and build a new system around Clarisys Auditoriums.

*Linda also has had conversations with John Lennon, who, she discovered, was reincarnated from Lewis Carroll. How does Linda have the special power to learn all of this? She, herself, was reincarnated from Queen Nefertiti.
I would like to request you add a :D button to the bottom of posts in addition to the Like and Reply buttons.
 
Please do not hold your breath on this.
I was not holding my breath on you moving to higher powered SS amps that ran your ribbons properly. Holding breath is only if it is on the edge and can sway either way. You are on a one-way ride. Problem is, you have just left your station, and I am waiting to receive you.
 
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Please do not hold your breath on this.

I very recently became acquainted with David Freund, who is the great nephew of Sigmund Freud. David told me that his wife, Linda,* by swinging a special pendulum, communicates with the dead, including with Sigmund Freud. David said that, through the medium of Linda, Sigmund has been refining his views and communicating them to David and Linda. David has been taking extensive notes.

So, apparently, Pietro could change his mind about horns in the afterlife. Offered the opportunity of the Clarisys (itself reincarnated from Apogee) I bet Pietro would abandon horns and build a new system around Clarisys Auditoriums.
Abandon the speaker horns? Or abandon the devil horns?

*Linda also has had conversations with John Lennon, who, she discovered, was reincarnated from Lewis Carroll. How does Linda have the special power to learn all of this? She, herself, was reincarnated from Queen Nefertiti.
 
Abandon the speaker horns? Or abandon the devil horns?

Mr years ago at an AC/DC concert. Women to the left of me, women to the right. Coz I am…

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I would like to request you add a :D button to the bottom of posts in addition to the Like and Reply buttons.
I personally think the "Like" button and it's various emoji options causes already too much consternation, misunderstanding and tribal "piling on."
 
I very recently became acquainted with David Freund, who is the great nephew of Sigmund Freud. David told me that his wife, Linda,* by swinging a special pendulum, communicates with the dead, including with Sigmund Freud. David said that, through the medium of Linda, Sigmund has been refining his views and communicating them to David and Linda. David has been taking extensive notes. See https://www.thehealinggift.com/

So, apparently, Pietro could change his mind about horns in the afterlife. Offered the opportunity of the Clarisys (itself reincarnated from Apogee) I bet Pietro would abandon horns and build a new system around Clarisys Auditoriums.

*David told me that Linda also has had conversations with John Lennon, who, she discovered, was reincarnated from Lewis Carroll. How does Linda have the special power to learn all of this? She, herself, was reincarnated from Queen Nefertiti.
Did andromeda pass on his motel high to you?
 

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