Burmester 911 mk3

[joeinid]

Rocco,

I was using the same cables on my stereo 911 without any problem, I thought. But I had different speakers before and the TADs are new.

 

[Rocco I.]

Rocco,

I was using the same cables on my stereo 911 without any problem, I thought. But I had different speakers before and the TADs are new.

If you're happy with I can't add any further comment. My experience with Transparent and Mit connected with Burmester I consider a worse match.

 

[joeinid]

Thanks Rocco,

I will have to try it and hear how it sounds. I know I need cables but will need to save up money. I have not tried yet the Transparent cable on the TADs with the Burmester monos.

 

[Thf99]

I find that too - the 911 seem to be quite sensitive to the loudspeaker cables. If you consider that they may have an output impedance of 0.003 ohm, microstrip's suggestion of cryo-cooled superconductors isn't a joke or a facetious quip. Most cables would have an impedance far above 0.003 ohm, and hence affect the damping factor of the amplifier.



Or get Burmester's own 948 power conditioner..... which achieves the same thing without resorting to transformers. I would argue that you would need an 8 kva transformer for EACH 911.

I've compared the 948 with the transformer (with special cabling and two outlet sockets, one for the 911s and the other for the rest) made by my dealer and I found that the transformer fared better, at least according to my ears. I completely agree with you that an additional transformer would enhance the performance even further.

 

[AudioExplorations]

I find that too - the 911 seem to be quite sensitive to the loudspeaker cables. If you consider that they may have an output impedance of 0.003 ohm, microstrip's suggestion of cryo-cooled superconductors isn't a joke or a facetious quip. Most cables would have an impedance far above 0.003 ohm, and hence affect the damping factor of the amplifier.

Very interesting comments re damping factor- I did not realize the speaker cable could be the impedance bottleneck and affect the DF. I am using Nordost Frey speaker cables, the impedance characteristics do not seem to be published.

 

[Thf99]

With the huge damping factor on the 911's I would bet that mono would be better. However, it would depend on the crossover design. Sometimes, separating the crossover improves the loudspeaker.

In mono mode now, I'm very happy with the performance of the 911s. Unless someone suggests otherwise, I'll keep it that way for now.

 

[sujay]

In mono mode now, I'm very happy with the performance of the 911s. Unless someone suggests otherwise, I'll keep it that way for now.

hi Thf99,

i will be going vertical biamping (passive) mode. let me see the results and i will let you know. as i mentioned before, this was the suggested course of action by the burmester guys themselves.

please let me know your views on how the monos have improved the sound stage and imaging.

cheers

sujay

 

[AudioExplorations]

hi Thf99,
i will be going vertical biamping (passive) mode. let me see the results and i will let you know. as i mentioned before, this was the suggested course of action by the burmester guys themselves.
please let me know your views on how the monos have improved the sound stage and imaging.
cheers
sujay

If I had a 2nd 911 I certainly would try out both configurations!

 

[Thf99]

hi Thf99,

i will be going vertical biamping (passive) mode. let me see the results and i will let you know. as i mentioned before, this was the suggested course of action by the burmester guys themselves.

please let me know your views on how the monos have improved the sound stage and imaging.

cheers

sujay

My observations suggest that the burmester guys may not be always right. Like they say, to each his own.
If you look at the manual for the 808, it says if you decide to use the remote control, the volume knob should be set at 12. The speed and the dynamism are gone if you do that. It may be slightly more refined. For me, I prefer to turn the volume knob all the way to the maximum. Based on Gary's explanation, mono seems like the way to go and while I haven't tried vertical biamping, I'm one happy man going mono. To try biamping, I'll have to open up the mono adapter cable and change the shorting wires, something which I'm reluctant to do now.

 

[sujay]

My observations suggest that the burmester guys may not be always right. Like they say, to each his own.
If you look at the manual for the 808, it says if you decide to use the remote control, the volume knob should be set at 12. The speed and the dynamism are gone if you do that. It may be slightly more refined. For me, I prefer to turn the volume knob all the way to the maximum. Based on Gary's explanation, mono seems like the way to go and while I haven't tried vertical biamping, I'm one happy man going mono. To try biamping, I'll have to open up the mono adapter cable and change the shorting wires, something which I'm reluctant to do now.

hi,

sure, to each, his/her own. i guess, the best way to find out is to try both, which i will and post back. by the way, while i agree that opinion is divided, most favor vertical biamping to running bridged monos. lets see..

cheers

 

[djanggo]

Also a consideration for most is the extra cabling needed to bi-amp. If one is using the super expensive variety, the additional cost will surely be a factor.

 

[Rocco I.]

Also a consideration for most is the extra cabling needed to bi-amp. If one is using the super expensive variety, the additional cost will surely be a factor.

For both external configuration (bi-amping or mono) need the appropriate Burmester Y silver adapters. In Italy both have the same cost (1140 Eur).

 

[sujay]

Also a consideration for most is the extra cabling needed to bi-amp. If one is using the super expensive variety, the additional cost will surely be a factor.

absolutely agree....

by the way, i am currently running a biwired configuration already. its actually, quite amazing the difference that the biwiring brought to the the system performance - just a simple biwiring. this is what prompted me to get the 2nd 911!!

cheers

 

[microstrip]

(...) I can tell a great system by how sleepy I get. For some reason, on systems that I love to listen to, I can not stay awake. I get so relaxed and into the music, I just drift off into sleep. On systems I do not like so much, I have to leave the room. (...)

Joe and Thf99,

Can I ask you if you performed this sleep tests under blind conditions?

 

[Thf99]

Joe and Thf99,

Can I ask you if you performed this sleep tests under blind conditions?

Uncle Richard has no idea what equipment I was using at that time.

 

[joeinid]

Joe and Thf99,

Can I ask you if you performed this sleep tests under blind conditions?

Ha! Ha! I did not need to, almost as soon as I sat down I was out like a light. It's a good thing my car stereo stinks.

 

[MarinJim]

Ha! Ha! I did not need to, almost as soon as I sat down I was out like a light. It's a good thing my car stereo stinks.

I have 2,000 watts in mine. If I get sleepy, I crank it up!

 

[NorthStar]

I have 2,000 watts in mine. If I get sleepy, I crank it up!

-----Way to go! :b

 

[joeinid]

My 911mk3 monos showed up today courtesy of the UPS man. These amps are incredible. Full, warm, detailed, smooth, effortless, powerful and simply amazing. I am in heaven.

 

[NorthStar]

My 911mk3 monos showed up today courtesy of the UPS man. These amps are incredible. Full, warm, detailed, smooth, effortless, powerful and simply amazing. I am in heaven.

-----Bring me with you Joe! :b

Congratulations!​