Burmester 911 mk3

[FrantzM]

Joel

It would be interesting to try the GKO-GSGMSER-2. This incredibly high performance music server is fully competitive with anything I have heard and yet its price is so down to earth it would be foly not to try it. This server is not $50K nor 20K ... take a deep breath now

It is actually three hundred and fifty or so dollars .. No typo. It is the Gary KOh Stupidely Good Music SERver ,,, The price is what you read. The performance will have you forgetting about CDP and Transports... You then add the DAC module to the 077 ... And prepare yourself for incredible best in the world performance... Likely the way I will go.

 

[joeinid]

Thanks Frantz!

I've thought about the dac module for the 077, it seems very reasonable. Some people have told me they do not like to put digital into such a fine analog preamp as my 077. They have said it "pollutes" the preamp.

Joe

It would be interesting to try the GKO-GSGMSER-2. This incredibly high performance music server is fully competitive with anything I have heard and yet its price is so down to earth it would be foly not to try it. This server is not $50K nor 20K ... take a deep breath now

It is actually three hundred and fifty or so dollars .. No typo. It is the Gary KOh Stupidely Good Music SERver ,,, The price is what you read. The performance will have you forgetting about CDP and Transports... You then add the DAC module to the 077 ... And prepare yourself for incredible best in the world performance... Likely the way I will go.

 

[microstrip]

Joe,

Why not buying a Burmester CD player?

 

[joeinid]

Joe,

Why not buying a Burmester CD player?

I thought about it, but I can't seem to commit. I would want the 069 but it's toooooooo much money.

 

[docvale]

I thought about it, but I can't seem to commit. I would want the 069 but it's toooooooo much money.

If you think that guy may close the perfect circle, just go for it. Too much money? You may make some nice money selling the Dart amp and the CJ pre+amp combination

 

[joeinid]

I'll sell the Dart 108 and the CJ Premier 350, but not the GAT. I like it too much to get rid of it.

 

[AudioExplorations]

I'll sell the Dart 108 and the CJ Premier 350, but not the GAT. I like it too much to get rid of it.

But you wont have an amp you can plug it into

 

[joeinid]

But you wont have an amp you can plug it into

Aha! You noticed. I'm thinking about eventually adding a CJ tube amp and try that combination.

 

[Gregadd]

So Gary how would the end user accomplish this? The shortcomings of tubes being bass and frequency response.

With tube amps, you have the possibility of paralleling the channels, instead of bridging. This results in the same potential voltage swing, so no increase in power, but you get a halving of output impedance (two output transformers in parallel) and hence a doubling of damping factor.

 

[garylkoh]

Joel

It would be interesting to try the GKO-GSGMSER-2. This incredibly high performance music server is fully competitive with anything I have heard and yet its price is so down to earth it would be foly not to try it. This server is not $50K nor 20K ... take a deep breath now

It is actually three hundred and fifty or so dollars .. No typo. It is the Gary KOh Stupidely Good Music SERver ,,, The price is what you read. The performance will have you forgetting about CDP and Transports... You then add the DAC module to the 077 ... And prepare yourself for incredible best in the world performance... Likely the way I will go.

+1

I haven't heard the add-on DAC for the 077 to "pollute" the preamp. I KNOW that the add-on ADC to the Ph100 does NOT contaminate it, and that should be far more sensitive than the preamp due to the very low signals involved in a phono stage.

 

[joeinid]

Thanks Gary,

I never thought Burmester would go through all that trouble to make a bad product.

I am still thinking about adding the dac to the 077. I am just waiting for my dealers feedback on the 111.

 

[garylkoh]

So Gary how would the end user accomplish this? The shortcomings of tubes being bass and frequency response.

Yes, paralleling the channels does address the shortcomings of tubes. Reducing the output impedance will improve BOTH frequency response linearity and bass. However, it can not be used on all tube amps. Check with the tube amp designer - I cannot be responsible for you blowing up your tube amps if you attempt this.

All you need are two pieces of wire, thick enough and long enough. One piece goes from the 0 ohm tap to the other 0 ohm tap, and another piece goes from one 8 ohm tap to the other 8 ohm tap (or whichever tap is the highest impedance rated). This parallels the two output transformers.

Then, a Y-adapter to parallel the two inputs.

The speakers are driven from the pair of paralleled taps. I like to run the -ve leg of the speaker cables from one transformer, and the +ve leg from the other transformer so that they look symmetric. You can also build a pair of Y-speaker cables, but with the Y at the input end.

 

[Thf99]

The 808+911 mono is extremely addictive. I went overseas for a 4-day trip and not a single day passed without me thinking about this combination. Just got back and immediately powered on the system. Played some old CDs and omg, the bass performance is out of this world! It was like listening to a whole new set of CDs! They certainly sounded so fantastic that I am now going to play all my CDs to see what I've been missing for the last 20 or so years. I'm going to lose a lot of sleep for sure.

 

[microstrip]

Yes, paralleling the channels does address the shortcomings of tubes. Reducing the output impedance will improve BOTH frequency response linearity and bass. However, it can not be used on all tube amps. Check with the tube amp designer - I cannot be responsible for you blowing up your tube amps if you attempt this. (...)

Gary,

We should remember that the technical points you are addressing and considering shortcomings participate in the sound you get from the amplifier. When you reduce the amplifier output impedance you are changing the designer intentions. Some people consider that the low damping factor is a key part in tube sound, as it affects aspects other than frequency response. Also, as the two channels are exactly equal in tube amplifiers because tubes have wide tolerances, paralleling the two channels can result in a different sounding amplifier, mainly because the feedback loops are also part of the game.

I had experience with two tube amplifiers that could be strapped for mono - the Graaf GM20 and the some tube amplifiers coming from the UK that looked like Aztec monuments that I do not remember the name anymore. Perhaps I was unlucky, but although they could sound more powerful, they degraded sound and reliability when used in mono.

 

[garylkoh]

Gary,

We should remember that the technical points you are addressing and considering shortcomings participate in the sound you get from the amplifier. When you reduce the amplifier output impedance you are changing the designer intentions. Some people consider that the low damping factor is a key part in tube sound, as it affects aspects other than frequency response. Also, as the two channels are exactly equal in tube amplifiers because tubes have wide tolerances, paralleling the two channels can result in a different sounding amplifier, mainly because the feedback loops are also part of the game.

I had experience with two tube amplifiers that could be strapped for mono - the Graaf GM20 and the some tube amplifiers coming from the UK that looked like Aztec monuments that I do not remember the name anymore. Perhaps I was unlucky, but although they could sound more powerful, they degraded sound and reliability when used in mono.

Yes - agreed. Check with the amp designer.

Because of the wide tolerances in tubes, I also don't like having more than either a single tube (if SET) or two tubes in my tube amps. But that's me. I feel that more tubes sound more powerful, but they degrade sound.

Paralleling two tube amps is not for everyone or every tube amp. More important than the tubes - the output transformers have to be very well matched.

 

[joeinid]

The 808+911 mono is extremely addictive. I went overseas for a 4-day trip and not a single day passed without me thinking about this combination. Just got back and immediately powered on the system. Played some old CDs and omg, the bass performance is out of this world! It was like listening to a whole new set of CDs! They certainly sounded so fantastic that I am now going to play all my CDs to see what I've been missing for the last 20 or so years. I'm going to lose a lot of sleep for sure.

Congratulations! That sure is a sign of a great system. I miss mine when I am away from it. I still have a way to go for break in, but it sounds so d@mn good now it is unbelievable. I am happy and glad to read you are as well.

 

[Gregadd]

"We should remember that the technical points you are addressing and considering shortcomings participate in the sound you get from the amplifier. When you reduce the amplifier output impedance you are changing the designer intentions. Some people consider that the low damping factor is a key part in tube sound, as it affects aspects other than frequency response. Also, as the two channels are exactly equal in tube amplifiers because tubes have wide tolerances, paralleling the two channels can result in a different sounding amplifier, mainly because the feedback loops are also part of the game. "

Microstrip when we fix one thing we break another. The purpose is to get "less Character." it is reversible.

 

[mep]

If you want less character, quit using tube amps.

 

[Gregadd]

If you want less character, quit using tube amps.

Now. Now. Is that the only choice?

 

[Rocco I.]

If you want less character, quit using tube amps.

Tube means a lot of sound colorations and very far from a realistic sound.