Burmester 911 mk3
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Ho Joe,
with a Burmester source (Reference or Top Line) your system will be definitely a Reference.
Enjoy
I also find it highly doubtful that there would be any audible difference with the addition of a XLR plug and 20cm of cable.
Mep,
Burmester is very expensive and people say it is great sounding gear. Every time there are more than three very happy owners (or ex-owners) that are members of a forum supporting and buying such a brand a mini-cult arises. Also, the lack of technical information creates a mystery that helps this status.
I have seen it happening with many brands in forums - and when it is a brand I own I also participate in the laudatum. Perhaps some day I will join the Burmester club - I am now member of another one.
More seriously - for other members it is a very good and enjoyable way to learn about specific aspects of the equipment and synergies that would not be covered any where else.
I am not sure anyone will be able to answer on a technical level which is what you seem to be looking for. My personal story is that I had lived with a McIntosh MC402 for around a year and was hugely impressed with the performance and sound. I had tried out a few other amps but none really gave me the urge to change. The opportunity came to buy a 911mk3 as I found an amazing deal on a second hand unit. When I tried it out in my system I was literally floored by the performance - it increased by significant margins every aspect of music reproduction I know how to listen to. I was not even expecting a third of the transformational improvement that I got from this amp. My system/room suddenly sounded like the ultra high end and tweaked out rooms dealers have where everything just sounds so 'right' and you walk away disappointed as you don't have this level of sound at home. I was hooked from there forward.
It is comforting to read that so many others who have compared the amp to huge lists of other top tier amp designs consider it to be the cream of the crop.
As you are an owner you are saying it much better and and with deeper feelings than me!
garylkoh
WBF Technical Expert (Speakers & Audio Equipment)
Interesting...... the supplied RCA to XLR adapters short pin 2 to ground, so you are using the 077 single-ended.
Hi Gary,
I do not know for sure but I believe it's no different (or at least not that much different) than using the adapters directly on the amp. At least this way is gives me some options. Another user on a different forum said the Burmester emailed him stating "There is no problem in running the mono amps single ended."
I ordered Steve McCormack's Interocitor to try directly between the GAT and 911's. I am curious if I hear any difference. I can return it if I like but I think I will have another use for it if it does not work out the way I want.
I do not know for sure but I believe it's no different (or at least not that much different) than using the adapters directly on the amp. At least this way is gives me some options. Another user on a different forum said the Burmester emailed him stating "There is no problem in running the mono amps single ended."
I ordered Steve McCormack's Interocitor to try directly between the GAT and 911's. I am curious if I hear any difference. I can return it if I like but I think I will have another use for it if it does not work out the way I want.
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Joe.......Pardon me for saying so, but I think you're nuts putting an aftermarket box made by anyone between your 077 and the 911 Mk3 amplifiers. It seems to me you are digging a hole trying to climb the mountain. I know you like to experiment, so I will be watching this thread to see how the Interociter works out for you.
I know. I have an answer in search of an problem. I'll give honest feedback, and if it works out great, if not, back it goes. This is really just experimentation until the 111 is released and we see how it performs. I know I say I'd like to simplify my system and this little experiment may not help the cause. I hope the 111 works out because it will take care of all my needs in one nice package. If nothing else, this promotes further discussion.
But Joe, how will you run your GAT with the 111??
Just pulling your leg buddy
Ahhhh,
I've been thinking about that. You will just have to wait my friend. Nothing up my sleeves ..... and
I have several years experience with Burmester 911 MK3, 069 w/ps, 808 MK5 w/ps, 089 and 948 conditioner. I can only speak for myself, but I (and not by a small margin) prefer the 911 MK3 with a hybrid tube CF-080LSX Linestage (using rca-xlr interconnects) and Great Northern Sound Company Statement Wadia S7i as source. An all Burmester electronics system to me veils the sound with a romantic "Burmester mist". Now to some, this is very desirable, but for me I like a little more detail and transparency. Is one system better than the other? No! We all know everyone has opinions. I base mine on 40 years in this hobby since grade school which has included Symphonic Line, Graaf, Chapter Audio, Conrad Johnson, Naim, Klimo, Marantz, Phase Linear and SAE.
garylkoh
WBF Technical Expert (Speakers & Audio Equipment)
I don't think that he is intending to use the Interocitor between the 077 and the 911. I think that he's going to put it between the GAT (a single-ended machine) and the 911 power amp. If the 1.8k ohm input impedance of the 911 is correct, the GAT has too high an output impedance for it. The Interocitor can also be specified as an impedance multiplier to improve the interface between the two.
Joe, did you contact Steve to make sure that you have the right version specified?
Gary is correct on all points. And, yes, Gary, I told Steve what I had and what I wanted to do and I believe he is sending me the 4:1 version. Gary I think the output impedance of the GAT under 100 ohms as specified by Conrad Johnson.
Hi,
everyone has own taste to listen music based on his experience and culture for the music; It's the most important think. After listened for many years the Burmester gears mixed with a lot of components/speakers of other Hi-End brands the sound result was always amazing at all! But, I personally think that Burmester delivers the best and absolute performance when the system is "Full Burmester" including, especially, their outstanding and superb speakers. eg. B100's,B80's, B50's, 961 MK3, B30's. At that stage and at my ears Burmester provides an exhilarating musical experience very close whilst listening to a live performance.
I invite you to listen the same Burmester components with their top awesome speaker like the B100's or B80's; so you could re-consider the concept of transparency followed-up by an highest degree of pure musicality that Burmester owns.
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My Opinions exactly ! + 1
And for what it is worth. I am not sure I heard the Burmester "romantic mist" in any all Burmester combination and I have heard several all Burmester combo .. mine was all Burmester from source to amp ... Clear , precise and the contrary of what one would call "romantic' ... I am not sure a tube would help in the chain as a matter of fact but different strokes and all that ...
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---I love the Burmester loudspeaker's designs and build quality,
in particular their larger designs.
Now, how come there aren't many reviews of them? ...Geographic reasons? Import duty fees?
Also, what genres of music are the true audiophiles' listening people into in Germany?
...Techno? Extra Heavy-Metal? Classical Alternative? Slave Punk? Acid Jazz? Or what?
* Three ex-girlfriends (German) were into Heavy Metal (Gabriela), Classical Flute & Piano (Rosita), and Alternative (Page).
in particular their larger designs.
Now, how come there aren't many reviews of them? ...Geographic reasons? Import duty fees?
Also, what genres of music are the true audiophiles' listening people into in Germany?
...Techno? Extra Heavy-Metal? Classical Alternative? Slave Punk? Acid Jazz? Or what?
* Three ex-girlfriends (German) were into Heavy Metal (Gabriela), Classical Flute & Piano (Rosita), and Alternative (Page).
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