Burmester 911 mk3
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I know, I know......but right now I have to practise delayed gratification
It's too late for me
but you will be very happy.
I don't think there's anything different... They're superbly designed and sounding components, as well as other from many other audio brands all over the world.
Personally, I have auditioned Burmester systems with components from the top and reference lines and I found them outstanding.
Instead, I have not been impressed by lower level components, such as their integrated amplifiers and the compact speakers (notwithstanding, you'll always find on the web some fans writing that Burmester is the best in every category: I personally do not agree).
Unfortunately, here in the US the top and reference lines are way more expensive than in Europe (~ twice)
Ciao Valerio.
I think I should know you
!!P.S.: I don't know which Burmester line you're referring to, but in the entry line levels, Burmester builds at my ears also high-end components that sonically are superb. I've a lot friends that own them and after a lot of true comparison A/B with similar products of the same league or more of others high quality audio brands, Burmester has always demonstrated better musicality at all.
garylkoh
WBF Technical Expert (Speakers & Audio Equipment)
I get the same complaint from my European customers. High-end gear is twice the price in Europe. For US gear sold in Europe, that is partly because in the US, the quoted retail excludes sales tax, whereas in Europe the quoted retail price includes sales tax - that automatically adds up to 25% more to the price.
I still would love to get an answer to my question about the 2kohm balanced 22kohm unbalanced input impedance of the 911mk3 or mk2 - even our local distributor could not answer it!
Micro, I have stated this before in this thread (maybe you missed it) - I called Burmester and spoke to a technical engineer. The impedances are as you state.
Also, Jeff Dorgay (Tonepub) runs 6 meters of balanced (XLR) cables from his ARC REF5SE to his 911mk3 and he says they work great together. I'm pretty sure if there was a compatibility issue, if anyone would hear it it would be him.
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Ciao Valerio.
I think I should know you
P.S.: I don't know which Burmester line you're referring to, but in the entry line levels, Burmester builds at my ears also high-end components that sonically are superb. I've a lot friends that own them and after a lot of true comparison A/B with similar products of the same league or more of others high quality audio brands, Burmester has always demonstrated better musicality at all.
Hey Rocco, yes, we know each other
Regarding the other lines from Burmester, I've listened to the 032 integrated, together with the B10 speakers and a CD player (don't remember the series).
Honestly, I was not taken by the sound. Obviously, I couldn't do any comparison with other giant integrated, such as the Gryphon Diablo, the ASR Emitter or the DartZeel, so I cannot tell if they may be better or worse.
I'm just saying that if price doesn't matter at all and we just look for the last system we'll ever buy, reference and top line components for Burmester may be easily chosen with the happiness of the widest range of music lovers.
Instead, if budget is relevant and we have to select a system thinking to the quality-to-price ratio, I wouldn't pick lower Burmester components but I'd probably go for other brands.
AudioExplorations,
Thanks, I have not missed it, but I believe in the laws of electronics and this is not possible, unless there is something we do not know about in these XLR-SE adapters.
A 2Kohm balanced line can not be converted in a 20kohm single ended just by shorting one input.
And the Ref 5E can not drive a 2kohm balanced load properly - there are technical limitations that would result in low bass filtering and rise in distortion.
Burmester can be great sounding, but I do not expect it to be technically miraculous!
garylkoh
WBF Technical Expert (Speakers & Audio Equipment)
Most likely the technical engineer just pulled up the owner's manual or spec sheet with the typo and regurgitated the figure. I dare say that a lot of the technical specs in the Burmester documentation is just plain wrong..... like the 909 being a 100W amp until a few weeks ago.
Gary,
Can we get a definitive answer to the 911mk3 input impedance question? I am still confused as to what the actual values are for the amp.
---Makes total sense to me what Gary just said above regarding typos.
* For definitive confirmation, simply contact Burmester's official office from their headquarters.
...Or their website, and ask. :b
* For definitive confirmation, simply contact Burmester's official office from their headquarters.
...Or their website, and ask. :b
If it were that easy, we would have the answer by now .....
Burmester does not equal accurate information
Nice gear but inaccurate info.
---Sounds like a lost point there for Burmester Joe.
Methinks that any good company in the year 2012 is there to help in any which way their customer's base.
And that includes the provision of precise informations, specs, data, and whatever the customer is requiring in helping his choice for his purchase.
No? :b
Methinks that any good company in the year 2012 is there to help in any which way their customer's base.
And that includes the provision of precise informations, specs, data, and whatever the customer is requiring in helping his choice for his purchase.
No? :b
garylkoh said:
Yes its wise to play it on the safe side. I will say that when I called Burmester the technical engineer (forget the name) was in a meeting with Dieter himself and he stepped out to answer my question. He did not hesitate to answer, he knew it off hand. I also asked whether it would make a difference in using the Burmester adapter vs an after market adapter at the other end of an XLR cable and he said it would not.
So, how can get answer this? I am also keen to know. Given Jeff runs his REF5SE balanced without issues I also tend to think the number is wrong. So there are two contradicting data points that don't add up. How do we get Dieter signed up to WBF???
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