Cable Elevators

[Gregadd]

My impression is the opposite. AVS seems to have a much stronger "science" contingent; here on WBF, many more seem to shout down the objectivists. Probably just me, but this place has gotten a lot less friendly lately...

Shh (finger over lips) i thought you were our go to science guy.

 

[microstrip]

Hi

Never said i disregard measurements microstrip, for speakers I have some doubts but tend to go for smooth freq response. I am not about bump in the freq or euphony ...

As for measurements, the Q series tend to be flat like pancake on axis on these:

From ULTRAUDIO: Q3 CLICK HERE I don't know what you consider to be "valid" so ...


For the Q7 Ultra Audio : The Write-up Review by Jeff Fritz CLICK HERE:

And Finally From Stereophile CLICK HERE

That is as flat as I have seen from speakers ... If by that you mean voiced to be neutral on axis .. Well, I am with you, voiced away from neutral? Not my opinion, YMMV. The Q3 were extremely neutral to my ears. I would have preferred them to have the mid-bass heft of the old Dunleavy speakers (The Standard IMHO) but these days my philosophy about bass reproduction is that subwoofers are necessary, regardless of the bass capabilities of the mains.

Frantz,

IMHO if you want to care about measurements you have to be serious on them .

The nice reviews of Jeff present "Frequency response in Jeff Fritz's Music Vault listening room" . I hope that a single response on axis measured in this conditions is not your definition of speaker measurements ... And I enjoy you consider the Q5 flat - a rising slope of 5 dB between 2 and 10 Khz is not my definition of flat. I only hope you do not consider the Q1 measurements flat!

From what I read it seems that we agree on using mainly our ears to evaluate speaker neutrality...

 

[Jazzhead]

there is a line somewhere dividing products the benefit of which are worth discussing from those that are not worth discussing. in the most respectful listener's environment cable elevators degree of performance boost would be questioned.

and then there is WBF, which has more, much more, than it's share of skepticism and minimal respect for listening impressions to begin with.

honestly i've never really given any brain time or listening time to whether they help, or how much. it's more a matter of system housekeeping to me. the closest i could come to providing some fodder for the WBF 'mouth-breathers' might be that i think the Shunyata Dark Field v2 cable elevators lowered the noise floor and increased the vividness and energy very slightly.....everything was slightly more relaxed.

i hope that tickles your fancy and provides a bit of entertainment for you on a relaxed Sunday afternoon.

Sir, that is 'brain time' enough... thank you . I might as well throw my hat in the ring, I use the original Shunyata elevators . My hearing closely mirrors your observation.......All hands on deck .. prepare to...........!!

 

[GaryProtein]

Frantz,

IMHO if you want to care about measurements you have to be serious on them .

The nice reviews of Jeff present "Frequency response in Jeff Fritz's Music Vault listening room" . I hope that a single response on axis measured in this conditions is not your definition of speaker measurements ... And I enjoy you consider the Q5 flat - a rising slope of 5 dB between 2 and 10 Khz is not my definition of flat. I only hope you do not consider the Q1 measurements flat!

From what I read it seems that we agree on using mainly our ears to evaluate speaker neutrality...

Quite possibly done on purpose to make ageing audiophiles with decreased high frequency hearing ability who spent a lot of money feel better about what they are hearing without having to adjust any pesky tone controls.

 

[GaryProtein]

I live on the 4th floor and was wondering if moving up to the 5th or 6th would make a difference and have a positive impact on the sound of my cables?

NO NO NO. Moving up to a higher floor would absolutely decrease your resolution. You would have considerably more background gamma radiation shining on your cables and you would definitely experience increased grain. In fact, if you run an independently grounded, lead lined shield around your cables and interconnects you would be much better off.

 

[HedgeHog]

Not sure if it's already mentioned but for those that want to get the elevators, I got the ceramic pin insulators on bulk (per a previous post). Seems to be identical and one just decides on the size; I got ANSI 55-4 which are quite big but I'm using them for power cords. I think ANSI 55-3 would be ideal for speaker cables.

To compare, one place (http://www.oregondv.com/CableElevators.htm) wants $27 for each one and CableIsolators (http://cableisolators.com/esd/buy/) has them for $129.95/8 ($16.25/ea). Anyway, I got mine for $4 a piece from this Liu Power Products in MO (http://www.liupowerproducts.com/). I think he also lists on eBay but at a slightly higher price.

Here's a pix of the item.



Not trying to shill but a bit of FYI for those interested. Will try to get some ESD rubber bands to keep the cables on too.