must be awesome. Luckily, my wetware made a copy of an in-person performance. As longs as my memory holds, that is.
Can digital get to vinyl sound and at what price?
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are you Audiogod in another guise
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I didn't mean to hit like above. CDs are physical digital media.
Plastic , Kind of plastiky sounding , unnatural lol
That's your take. Doesn't sound anything like that either via my Neodio Origine S2 in my main system, nor via the Modwright Elysee DACand Sim Audio 260 dt I no my second system
Are you saying that polyvinyl chloride is superior sounding to a clear polycarbonate plastic substrate, a reflective metallic layer, and a clear protective coating of acrylic plastic! Please be specific
The smiley doesn’t hide the obnoxiousness of this post. (Or implicit ignorance)I do agree if you cant hear it why bother
For some, that doesn’t matter. Quality trumps quantity. It’s just like a system’s bass presentation where quality is often preferred to quantity.
Of course it can, with certain digital playback methods compared to certain vinyl playback methods!
But, back in ancient history, when I had the disposable income, I felt SACD was as good as vinyl. Then I started cleaning my records as well as I could, and now I play CD or SACD only when I don't have a particular recording on vinyl.
But, back in ancient history, when I had the disposable income, I felt SACD was as good as vinyl. Then I started cleaning my records as well as I could, and now I play CD or SACD only when I don't have a particular recording on vinyl.
You can have both with digital
It's not that's it's trash compared to vinyl
Also I like a huge variety of music , I get bored pretty quickly .
Playing a million different songs from different genres with just a click of a button is invaluable
That is fine. No one is criticizing your preference. I was responding to what seemed like your criticism of those who listen to vinyl because their selection is not as broad as those who stream. I grant you that the selection may not be as broad, but for some, my point is that it doesn’t matter.
I posted the video of that recording session here a while back. Although vinyl was the clear winner I don't think the digital recording was done very well, being ADC>Pro Tools. More of an example of how not to do digital recording. Grimm is working on a new ADC, that should be interesting since he has said existing ADC's are flawed.
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You don't find this claim made about 'room for improvement' very often but, imo, it is one worth making. If stereo on long play records started roughly in 1957 and CDs became widely available around 1982, one interpretation says the LP has a 25 year head start on CDs/digital. Streaming became popular in the later 2000s (Spotify was 2010).
I don't know if there is a settled format for 'digital' broadly speaking. I don't know if CD playback technology has reached its zenith -- there are many fewer players on the market today, so maybe there is little new investment in CD transport technology. There appears to be a continuous stream, heh, of DACs coming out along with the same for what I call Streamer Boxes and there is no horizon for those.
There is some but little new technology for implementing turntables; they are still (almost all) string, idler, and direct drive. The LP is a long finished format although we've seen the rise of thicker vinyl which doesn't really add much if it isn't detracting.
So I expect continual churn in the streaming/digital world as little appears settled. You can argue otherwise if you know the future.
I see the primary argument made today for streaming is "access to all the new music'. The second most common argument is "I can keep my ass in my chair and click around the clock" (convenience.) Streaming today as a front-end strikes me as largely an IT exercise. (How many of you streamers are in IT?)
I think the topic of this thread remains an open question -- maybe digital will surpass vinyl in 20 years or possibly less -- if you want to stay on the ride, that's fine by me. Stream on. And if you do, chill a bit and accept your choice -- too much anxiety goes into defending it, when there is no need. If someone says vinyl or tape is superior, so what, stay calm and embrace your choice if you have confidence in it.
In my world, which is mostly classical music, there are so many fine performances on vinyl that I will not hear them all in my lifetime. An orchestral symphony recorded in say, 1970, that I have not heard is new music to me. Imo, the majority of "new music" is garbage without provenance but occasionally something stands out. I just don't want to waste my time clicking through mediocrity to find it. I have no interest to participate in the technology churn of streaming, trying to achieve a sound as good as what I have -- why spend the money if I'm already there. And I like owning the physical LP media. I still have maybe 1200 or so CDs and do not play them, but keep them maybe for the day I can no longer mount a cartridge. I don't know if there will be any decent players or transports then.
You don't find this claim made about 'room for improvement' very often but, imo, it is one worth making. If stereo on long play records started roughly in 1957 and CDs became widely available around 1982, one interpretation says the LP has a 25 year head start on CDs/digital. Streaming became popular in the later 2000s (Spotify was 2010).
I don't know if there is a settled format for 'digital' broadly speaking. I don't know if CD playback technology has reached its zenith -- there are many fewer players on the market today, so maybe there is little new investment in CD transport technology. There appears to be a continuous stream, heh, of DACs coming out along with the same for what I call Streamer Boxes and there is no horizon for those.
There is some but little new technology for implementing turntables; they are still (almost all) string, idler, and direct drive. The LP is a long finished format although we've seen the rise of thicker vinyl which doesn't really add much if it isn't detracting.
So I expect continual churn in the streaming/digital world as little appears settled. You can argue otherwise if you know the future.
I see the primary argument made today for streaming is "access to all the new music'. The second most common argument is "I can keep my ass in my chair and click around the clock" (convenience.) Streaming today as a front-end strikes me as largely an IT exercise. (How many of you streamers are in IT?)
I think the topic of this thread remains an open question -- maybe digital will surpass vinyl in 20 years or possibly less -- if you want to stay on the ride, that's fine by me. Stream on. And if you do, chill a bit and accept your choice -- too much anxiety goes into defending it, when there is no need. If someone says vinyl or tape is superior, so what, stay calm and embrace your choice if you have confidence in it.
In my world, which is mostly classical music, there are so many fine performances on vinyl that I will not hear them all in my lifetime. An orchestral symphony recorded in say, 1970, that I have not heard is new music to me. Imo, the majority of "new music" is garbage without provenance but occasionally something stands out. I just don't want to waste my time clicking through mediocrity to find it. I have no interest to participate in the technology churn of streaming, trying to achieve a sound as good as what I have -- why spend the money if I'm already there. And I like owning the physical LP media. I still have maybe 1200 or so CDs and do not play them, but keep them maybe for the day I can no longer mount a cartridge. I don't know if there will be any decent players or transports then.
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