Can digital get to vinyl sound and at what price?

Is that because it is Audio Note, or because it’s digital ?

For me it was the DAC not because it is digital. I can sit and thoroughly enjoy and immerse myself in music via digital in either of my 2 systems. I do think that analog offers a bit more, however I'm not an analog guy primarily because there isn't enough music that I prefer via it . I'm not going to stop listening to what I prefer and limit my access to new music simply to join the analog club.
 
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20+ years ago, the main conflict between Peter and me was his preference for redbook and with non oversampling and without filters. driven by noisy pcm dacs and efforts to overcome that issue, my perspective 20+ years ago was a preference for SACD's and dacs that moved pcm to dsd.

20 years later dacs no longer have an issue with pcm and noise, they have far advanced, dsd/SACD is no longer the solution, and digital is much better. to the degree i understand what he is currently doing, Peter still is stuck at variations of basic redbook and still leans toward silver discs.

let the listener choose what they like. i have.
Planks … You never embraced strategically Strewn Planks !
 
I monitor this site to learn the facts, that is my agenda.
PQ says he spent over $100,000 testing neobium resistors against the leading tantalum type and found they sound better (smoother). It is that attention to the little details that make the difference between good and world-class. He pointed out how the faster the digital sampling rate, the greater the overshoot distortion, so for those who think that makes digital sound more like analogue … He says early 78RPM shellac’s where cut direct from the orchestra and singer playing through extended horns direct to the cutting needle, no electronics. Despite the horrendous surface noise, the singing and instruments sound more real than anything today, thus less is more. He said his best (and most expensive) equipment has surprisingly few parts (albeit carefully selected parts).
As I said, my agenda is to learn how to build the very best. Unfortunately, others here have different agendas.

Well I am glad that someone is investing in audio grade components - the Kasei capacitors are excellent. I have some of the Niobium resistors, but yet to try.

I use Black Gate capacitors extensively in my system and I am hopeful that AN may be able to resurrect their production.

I have never owned an AN product, but I always find them to be a refuse at shows.
 
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Well I am glad that someone is investing in audio grade components - the Kasei capacitors are excellent. I have some of the Niobium resistors, but yet to try.

I use Black Gate capacitors extensively in my system and I am hopeful that AN may be able to resurrect their production.

I have never owned an AN product, but I always find them to be a refuse at shows.
I had heard good things about Black Gates, in the power supply. Are they the best in the signal path?
 
Planks … You never embraced strategically Strewn Planks !
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in my first room in the late 90's i had my own version of 'Planks', part of my learning curve. not sure i embraced them but they were a means to an end. i wanted to get the room to handle more scale than it was really able to. the system could do it easily but the room would rear up and slap the music down.

i bought a different house and built a proper room.
 
The Apex upgrade is a HUGE improvement. The clock helps a fair bit too.

For analog based recordings, compared to a reference table the table will likely win given proper setup. As much as I love my Rossini Apex the lack of the imperfect (but always getting better) ADC - DAC two-step conversion.
I posted that over a year ago. I have since done the Apex mod, and am pleased.

In all honesty, the current state of Qobuz and Prime streaming here is very enjoyable.

So is the vinyl.

I keep seeing analogies between vinyl and espresso. Yes, the best is exceptionally satisfying. But maybe the average is just very good. No doubt the best is the enemy of the good. The more you like music and the more you like coffee, the easier it is to truly enjoy the listening (or the tasting).
 
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in my first room in the late 90's i had my own version of 'Planks', part of my learning curve. not sure i embraced them but they were a means to an end. i wanted to get the room to handle more scale than it was really able to. the system could do it easily but the room would rear up and slap the music down.

i bought a different house and built a proper room.

The flirting is just precious.
 
I posted that over a year ago. I have since done the Apex mod, and am pleased.

In all honesty, the current state of Qobuz and Prime streaming here is very enjoyable.

So is the vinyl.

I keep seeing analogies between vinyl and espresso. Yes, the best is exceptionally satisfying. But maybe the average is just very good. No doubt the best is the enemy of the good. The more you like music and the more you like coffee, the easier it is to truly enjoy the listening (or the tasting).

Until you add the clock, you are not a real audiophile. ;)
 
not according to Ked... you are such a noob... ;)
NL is Netherlands. Milan is clearly from Denmark so is likely DM but not an NL.
 
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For me it was the DAC not because it is digital. I can sit and thoroughly enjoy and immerse myself in music via digital in either of my 2 systems. I do think that analog offers a bit more, however I'm not an analog guy primarily because there isn't enough music that I prefer via it . I'm not going to stop listening to what I prefer and limit my access to new music simply to join the analog club.
I feel this requires stepping out of your head and into the music and not all seem to be able do that with digital. This most possibly relates to expectation though there could be physiological differences as well.

This is different to the experiences had in our making comparisons… stepping out of the head into the music is not a straight forward thing when actively making comparisons because we are more likely to be cycling through analysis to determine differences and I’d suggest that is exactly the thing that stops us from just stepping out of our head and easily into the music.
 
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Lower quality digital can be enjoyed by some listeners but most vinyl fans will find it unlistenable.
It's my sole option by choice and I am completely satisfied. I recognize I am an outlier on WBF but for me the message is far more important than the messenger.
 
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It's my sole option by choice and I am completely satisfied. I recognize I am an outlier on WBF but for me the message is far more important than the messenger.

Just So , The change over from cassette to mini disk in my then Series 1 Fixed Head Jag E- type 3.8 was pretty seamless, both added equally to the motoring experience .
 
I had heard good things about Black Gates, in the power supply. Are they the best in the signal path?

I only have 1 capacitor in the signal path which is a combination of an Elna Starget bypassed by a 0.1uf NX Black Gate. I use to have a capacitor coupled valve pre that sounded best with a high voltage non polar 100uf Black Gate. Interestingly in that unit Cerafines sounded better that the Black Gates on the B+

My current preamp (since 2000) is almost all power supply with only a pair of pin head transistors for gain. The power supply is completely non-polar Black Gates (N, NH, and NX in super-E configuration). This is what gives the pre its sound and life.

My CD player is a non oversampled tda1541 based player with an active analog filter. All the DEM caps surrounding the tda1541 are multiples of the 0.1 NX non-polars which makes a big difference in the sound of the DAC. All the decoupling caps in the output stage are again bypassed by the BG 0.1s.

I don't think, like some people, that Black Gates are a universal improvement in every situation - in some instances they suck and I also found that some of the range of Black Gates just didn't seem to work anywhere , but in the right spot with right one there is nothing like them.

The other great thing about the Black Gates is, like film caps, that they seem to have an almost infinite life. I have been using the same caps for almost 25 years and my pre is always left on.
 
I only have 1 capacitor in the signal path which is a combination of an Elna Starget bypassed by a 0.1uf NX Black Gate. I use to have a capacitor coupled valve pre that sounded best with a high voltage non polar 100uf Black Gate. Interestingly in that unit Cerafines sounded better that the Black Gates on the B+

My current preamp (since 2000) is almost all power supply with only a pair of pin head transistors for gain. The power supply is completely non-polar Black Gates (N, NH, and NX in super-E configuration). This is what gives the pre its sound and life.

My CD player is a non oversampled tda1541 based player with an active analog filter. All the DEM caps surrounding the tda1541 are multiples of the 0.1 NX non-polars which makes a big difference in the sound of the DAC. All the decoupling caps in the output stage are again bypassed by the BG 0.1s.

I don't think, like some people, that Black Gates are a universal improvement in every situation - in some instances they suck and I also found that some of the range of Black Gates just didn't seem to work anywhere , but in the right spot with right one there is nothing like them.

The other great thing about the Black Gates is, like film caps, that they seem to have an almost infinite life. I have been using the same caps for almost 25 years and my pre is always left on.
Have you ever compared the black gates to Robert Hovland SuperCaps or Audio Note silver foils caps? Ever heard Duelund CAST tinned copper caps in a speaker crossover? If so, are they worth the money or no?
 
Hell of a lot less of a danger to Life or Limb doing … Ahhhemmm 60mph down the A1 whilst attempting to extricate a chewed and partially digested Led Zeppelin ATLANTIC R440031 ;)
 

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