Can digital get to vinyl sound and at what price?

you may be right that dsd sounds better. the disadvantage the choice of music in native dsd is very limited. therefore just a gimmick not really a viable option for music listen. upsampling is not my cup of tea.

HQPLAYER is much more than upsampling. It is transcoding and it uses filters and modulators to extract information buried deep in the recordings to add inner detail, enhance dimensionality, and increase dynamics. It also has features for convolution and with its pipeline architecture you can customize it to get results that meet your needs. The use of HQPLAYER is far better than accepting what you are served and then complaining that you don’t like it; HQPLAYER is the tool to do something about it.
 
Don't be so quick to draw conclusions. My Cd knowledge includes latest generation too. And to your surprise I very well know Cd ripping. I extensively used XLD on macOS, EAC on windows for many years. dBPoweramp is not as versatile as other two but I used it for many years on macOS too. If you need to consult on anything on any of those programs I would be glad to help cause I'm still using them.

I also know Accuraterip database's existence for a long time and it's not only useful for comparing rips but also determining drive's read and write offset values. As I said before don't hesitate to ask help.

Cd player and CD-ROM are not exatly the same thing as you said but if you mean recent Cd players usually have DVD-ROM drives as a transport that's ok. But you still didn't answer my question. Please answer.
Can you explain how Cd ripping software can confirm Cd players' error correction accuracy? How do you connect a Cd player (even if it has a DVD-ROM drive as a transport) to a computer and run Cd ripping software?

It is all explained in the AccurateRip pages. You are systematically using small details and semantics to perpetuate the discussion, I am not interested in going on sideways. CD players read exactly the bits that were written in the CD, Accuraterip shows all CDs of the same recording have the same bit content - all your objections to CD bit content were addressed, nothing to add.

And be sure that I never hesitated to ask help to other knowledgeable members in this forum in this particular subject with success, but see no reason to ask yours considering your CD bits are not trusty. ;)
 
I have found digital eq's to only degrade the signal passing thru them. But studio-grade analog eq's such as the one I use in my apartment successfully perform the task given them.
I agree , I have listened to some dsp and all of them were worse to consider, Romy also confirm digital processing change the sound in wrong direction.

I do not know the reason but maybe digital processing (even at high frequency) increase the quantization noise .

the problem is many audio systems does not show the negative effect of digital processing.
The key is having a high performance audio system before any judgment
 
George, do you know or have you ever met or had a conversation with Daniel Weiss? Daniel Weiss was responsible for the Harnonia Mundi digital workstation, amongst many other things, and his digital processors are world class standards in the high end studio mastering world.
I am distributor of Weiss Products in Iran and I have listened to all of DSP filters in Weiss DAC502 .
All digital filters or any kind of digital processing change the sound and if you have high quality AAD CD albums and a high performance Audioplayback then you can see how digital filters change the sound.
 
HQPLAYER is much more than upsampling. It is transcoding and it uses filters and modulators to extract information buried deep in the recordings to add inner detail, enhance dimensionality, and increase dynamics. It also has features for convolution and with its pipeline architecture you can customize it to get results that meet your needs. The use of HQPLAYER is far better than accepting what you are served and then complaining that you don’t like it; HQPLAYER is the tool to do something about it.
I used a laptop with better power supply(modified linn dirac), foobar in ram disk mode 64 GB for 10 years. ripping software included on the same level as eac in paranoid mode. I've tried a number of solutions and have come to the conclusion that I will not change it anymore. If I want to change the sound, I change the dac 6-7 pieces available.;)
 
It is all explained in the AccurateRip pages. You are systematically using small details and semantics to perpetuate the discussion, I am not interested in going on sideways. CD players read exactly the bits that were written in the CD, Accuraterip shows all CDs of the same recording have the same bit content - all your objections to CD bit content were addressed, nothing to add.

And be sure that I never hesitated to ask help to other knowledgeable members in this forum in this particular subject with success, but see no reason to ask yours considering your CD bits are not trusty. ;)
I understood, you can not answer.
 
HQPLAYER is much more than upsampling. It is transcoding and it uses filters and modulators to extract information buried deep in the recordings to add inner detail, enhance dimensionality, and increase dynamics. It also has features for convolution and with its pipeline architecture you can customize it to get results that meet your needs. (...)

HQPLAYER needs a few parameters. Do you use any objective criteria to determine their values or do you simply set them subjectively according to your preference?
 
HQPLAYER needs a few parameters. Do you use any objective criteria to determine their values or do you simply set them subjectively according to your preference?

100% tailor the parameters to my preferences as I’m only interested in playback for myself.
 
A Direct to disc pressing sounds closest to a live unamplified acoustical performance.

A top grade, well pressed record is virtually transparent when played with the proper equipment.

I believe this is correct. I would also say, based on my own recording experience, that a DSD recording of an acoustical event gets the closest for digital recording.
 
Both the ADC and DAC produces losses and non-linearities.

An ADC chops up the analog signal thru its finite sampling, and discards the information outside of its sample points!

It’s possible in the near future that Robert Watts’ ADC may solve many of the issues.
 
Do you have an experience-based opinion on whether a direct-to-disc pressing or a reel-to-reel tape recording from the same mic feed as the direct-to-disc sounds closer to a live unamplified acoustical performance?

That is how the test was conducted. The same feed sent to all three recording devices at the same time.
 
Both the ADC and DAC produces losses and non-linearities.
Yes, as well as any sound reproduction system.
An ADC chops up the analog signal thru its finite sampling, and discards the information outside of its sample points!

Yes, this information is not needed to stereo sound reproduction.

Let us forget about the implementation problems for a moment - would you say the same if, for example, the DXD process was carried with ideal ADCs and DACs?
 
Perhaps under very specif conditions. But different conditions could easily reverse such subjective findings.

BTW, microphone feeds prepared for direct to disk are not typical microphone feeds - it is why some analog fans hate most direct cuts, fining them "non natural".

Pressings made directly from the feed with zero editing sound the most natural. Once a tin-eared engineer is placed at the controls, the feed becomes skewed.
 
Yes, this information is not needed to stereo sound reproduction.

so you are saying that the stereo format isn't capable of high fidelity?

Let us forget about the implementation problems for a moment - would you say the same if, for example, the DXD process was carried with ideal ADCs and DACs?

All 1-bit processes are lacking in fine resolution (inner detail and harmonic structure).
 
Pressings made directly from the feed with zero editing sound the most natural. Once a tin-eared engineer is placed at the controls, the feed becomes skewed.

You are not addressing any of my points. BTW this is WhatsBestForum we mostly think about the work of gold-eared engineers, not about tin-eared engineers. We can't learn any thing from them!
 
HQPLAYER is much more than upsampling. It is transcoding and it uses filters and modulators to extract information buried deep in the recordings to add inner detail, enhance dimensionality, and increase dynamics.

I theorized such a design in the last stages of digitals finalization.

I am glad that someone else thought of it.
 
It’s possible in the near future that Robert Watts’ ADC may solve many of the issues.

No ADC can "solve" the quantization error or the sampling rate - it is intrinsic to digital. However designers can minimize the subjective effects of these digital characteristics. Many of us believe that we have reached a point where the performance of ADCs and DACs is not any more an obstacle to SOTA stereo sound reproduction, at the level of top analog (tape).

Direct recording of a stereo microphone feed is extremely limited and misleading in terms of test for sound stereo sound reproduction - listening tests in the past have shown that some listeners preferred the tape feed to the direct microphone feed.
 
No ADC can "solve" the quantization error or the sampling rate - it is intrinsic to digital. However designers can minimize the subjective effects of these digital characteristics. Many of us believe that we have reached a point where the performance of ADCs and DACs is not any more an obstacle to SOTA stereo sound reproduction, at the level of top analog (tape).

Direct recording of a stereo microphone feed is extremely limited and misleading in terms of test for sound stereo sound reproduction - listening tests in the past have shown that some listeners preferred the tape feed to the direct microphone feed.
I am not sure it's quite at magnetic tape simply due to the incredible density of information in tape and also my comparisons of tape v. digital. It's certainly gotten a lot closer the past couple of years.
 

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