I've been looking at this thread with amusement $150k a lot of money and for that you better get a pair of speakers that does it all and will last you a lifetime. Personally even at $15k the speaker better sound natural and lifelike otherwise why bother?
That's an excellent point. Even the $7,000 magnepan sound more natural to me than any box speaker.
But magazines like Stereophile and TAS push Wilson and Magico on the public as the BEST. But all one has to do is attend an audio show, and hear for themselves how limited the box speaker designs are.
No, I don’t think he is because in many ways I would agree with him. I dumped box speakers a long time ago and the first stop was Planarsville. I stayed there for more than a decade (big planars are wonderful for classical and jazz) before dipping briefly back into boxes (realizing again they miss too much realism) before rediscovering horns.
Usually they lack experience with horns so they look for different things. Start a thread where Wilson Magico owners list their SETs horns speaker experiences. Will be a very short thread
Usually they lack experience with horns so they look for different things. Start a thread where Wilson Magico owners list their SETs horns speaker experiences. Will be a very short thread
No speaker is perfect but a good “box” speaker is very capable of throwing a wide dispersed soundstage with a excellent center phantom image. By far it system dependent not just the speakers. The total image is from behind the speaker plane were the microphones were placed as it should be.It is possible for the room to disappear as do the speakers do on most minimally mic’d classical and jazz recordings.
As long as the speaker is coherent and images well a speaker is capable of performing well,like I said it is system dependent.
No, I don’t think he is because in many ways I would agree with him. I dumped box speakers a long time ago and the first stop was Planarsville. I stayed there for more than a decade (big planars are wonderful for classical and jazz) before dipping briefly back into boxes (realizing again they miss too much realism) before rediscovering horns.
Usually they lack experience with horns so they look for different things. Start a thread where Wilson Magico owners list their SETs horns speaker experiences. Will be a very short thread
Surely it will be a short thread. Wilson and Magico onwers have better to do than feeding childish disputes on mine is better than yours. But I would risk they feel great when they become the focus of the attention of the horn speaker community ...
Surely it will be a short thread. Wilson and Magico onwers have better to do than feeding childish disputes on mine is better than yours. But I would risk they feel great when they become the focus of the attention of the horn speaker community ...
As always you purposefully misquoted. I just said they should list their experience. No foodie wants to quarrel with burger king and McD fanatics so don't worry
box speakers are quite easy to listen to. They are everywhere, better distributed, and better displayed in shows. Horns, especially in the US are difficult. So instead of turning this into a who knows more contest, simply accept realities. Horn lovers start listening to boxes, before they discover horns
That's an excellent point. Even the $7,000 magnepan sound more natural to me than any box speaker.
But magazines like Stereophile and TAS push Wilson and Magico on the public as the BEST. But all one has to do is attend an audio show, and hear for themselves how limited the box speaker designs are.
That wasn't my point Caesar . There are some excellent sounding box speakers that are far better than most of the modern horn systems I've heard. My point is that $150k is really a ton of money for a speaker system irrespective of design and even at 1/10th of that amount one should be able to get a great sounding box speaker without having to make too many compromises.
Panels are a different thing, I'm over them! I spent many years loving Soundlabs & Apogees but at this point in time I don't want anything that inefficient. Reason is I simply haven't found any tube electronics that sound good and can actually drive the panels properly and I'm not going back to solid state.
Indeed Bonzo, I heard Klipsch Cornerhons in the 70s, never was exposed to any horns in the Pacific NW where I’ve lived for most of my life. Not until I visited RMAF a couple years back did I hear Avantgarde and thought it a shame I had not been exposed — I liked what I heard. Now that I have heard Diesis my expectations of what to expect from speakers has changed. That is not to say my Alexia in my current rig are not immensely pleasurable.
box speakers are quite easy to listen to. They are everywhere, better distributed, and better displayed in shows. Horns, especially in the US are difficult. So instead of turning this into a who knows more contest, simply accept realities. Horn lovers start listening to boxes, before they discover horns
The golden rule of unobtainium promotion - people do not love it because they were never exposed to it, they would surely love if they listened.
But you have a point - in my experience most of the time horns are very poorly displayed at shows and box speakers are just poorly displayed, although we have some exceptions. Why such different behavior?
I haven’t heard horns sound good in person except a live concert using some (they where not round). How is it possible for horns to sound bad at shows, but they’re the best? Why can’t someone make them sound good at a show?
