If you like Raidho you will definitely not find it in devores or harbeth. They are opposite ends
Can one find realism in box speakers that cost less than $150K after experiencing dynamics of horns and horn-type speakers?
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If you like Raidho you will definitely not find it in devores or harbeth. They are opposite ends
Although I understand the point of those who want to keep the quality unobtainium top secret I think it is unfair to criticize others or assume in a public forum such as WBF that there is a superior mystery product without nominating it or being able to discuss it. Just MHO, YMMV.
Francisco, the double medal of honour of those special horns playing those special lp pressings. Like the audio equivalent of joining the Masons.
If Raidho is to someone tastes then that person and I share zero common interests in audio.
Hmm, I like all of them, but with Raidho I only like the tweeter. Those little woofers are a joke.
I also agree with Ron WRT vocals and horns. If you think about it, horns are going to introduce some colorations due to the mechanism that makes them work in the first place, the horn's shape isn't set in stone as to what works best and neither are the materials the horn is made of, which also contribute to the sound you're hearing.
Vocals are one of the most familiar of sounds to our ear and timbre tends to be complex, so it is good test material, possibly the best. The fact many of us hear this also means that the timbre of everything else is being altered by the horn as well, but our reference for this isn't as good as vocals and we simply miss it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there... it HAS to be.
So while my preference is horns for various reasons I'm not going to pretend they are the pinnacle of audio reproduction, in some genres it may be true but it's not a universally accepted fact.
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That's because he can afford them and needs the army to unpack, assemble, setup, disassemble and repack otherwise they're not needed. Vintage speakers are very simple, mostly two affairs you hook them up they either play or don't there's nothing else to them. Their magic is in their drivers, horns and cabinets, not army of handlers. That knowledge is gone along with the facilities and the engineers who made them, that's what makes them valuable. It's the same thing with recordings and recording engineers, vinyl formulations, tape recorders, etc., etc., etc.
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Hmm, I like all of them, but with Raidho I only like the tweeter. Those little woofers are a joke.
I also agree with Ron WRT vocals and horns. If you think about it, horns are going to introduce some colorations due to the mechanism that makes them work in the first place, the horn's shape isn't set in stone as to what works best and neither are the materials the horn is made of, which also contribute to the sound you're hearing.
Vocals are one of the most familiar of sounds to our ear and timbre tends to be complex, so it is good test material, possibly the best. The fact many of us hear this also means that the timbre of everything else is being altered by the horn as well, but our reference for this isn't as good as vocals and we simply miss it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there... it HAS to be.
So while my preference is horns for various reasons I'm not going to pretend they are the pinnacle of audio reproduction, in some genres it may be true but it's not a universally accepted fact or even a close.
Actually I agreed with Ron on vocals... Partially... Stats and ribbons are great, I have to hear a cone apart from Zellaton that matches up to pure ribbon on vocals
TAD Coax drivers, the Ref series is about as good as it gets for vocals and the Evo series is not far behind. Also I think YG and Verity are standouts. As much as I love my own horn speakers my Pioneer S-1EX with the TAD Evo coax drivers are better on vocals.
With audio gear reaching for the stars pricewise the TAD Ref-1s at $100k are now seeming like a bargain, lol... and definitely answer the thread title. They are excellent speakers.
Can't stand TAD. I owned verity and like verity in general, but not to that level. YG is good
I think with Verity and YG you have to hear the newest versions.
TAD is still one of the best speakers on the planet despite your opinions.
I think with Verity and YG you have to hear the newest versions.
TAD is still one of the best speakers on the planet despite your opinions.
It sucks despite yours.
I never liked the old verity, YG I like hailey onwards.
Anyway, I am not here to debate with you, I say what I think, you can like what you like
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Weren't the Ref 1s like 65k a few years ago? Gotta love audio inflation. If its not expensive enough no one will buy it!
Why do you have to be such an arse about everything?
Heard that before? Maybe there's some truth to it... Lighten up Francis! And maybe keep an open mind a little more, your constant judgement is tiring.
You were the one being an arse telling me it is the best despite my opinion. If you can give it out learn to take it back
I think they have been around $100k for a long time now.
There is a lot of real R&D behind the design and the Ref series beryllium coax drivers are among the best in the industry. They are demanding as far as amplification though.
While we don't normally think of them as such, most coaxials are horns! The horn is the mid/woofer/midwoofer's cone. No it doesn't provide the kind of horn loading needed for uber-efficiency; it's more like a "waveguide-style" horn, wherein pattern control rather than acoustic amplification is its raison d'etre.
So imo one possible implication is that THAT type of horn can be pretty good on vocals, albeit at the expense of some efficiency and bandwidth.
"Speaker design is tradeoffs, Highness. Anyone who says differently is in marketing." - from The Princess Bride (poetic license invoked)
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