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Ok. Interesting about the Mayer 46. I have not heard that amp but own a ~diy 46 and have heard Mayer 300b and would think his 46 to be a great match. Maybe the impedance curve is tough on the Pnoe?
 
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Ok. Interesting about the Mayer 46. I have not heard that amp but own a ~diy 46 and have heard Mayer 300b and would think his 46 to be a great match. Maybe the impedance curve is tough on the Pnoe?

I think Kedar cocked up his post and meant that the times he heard it when *it did* sound good was with the Mayer 46, Sparrow etc.
 
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They are surprisingly room sensitive, as in they sound flat in corners and muffled. But the key when you have no cross over is to take advantage of the nuance it is capable of and the high dynamic range so all electronics have to suit. Nuance and agility should not be suppressed anywhere in the chain. It does not do well with poor source or recordings and the bass cam sometime go off time with high unless right amp is used. I never really heard it sound good with Mayer 46, and red sparrow and linear tracker and great records. And I have heard it with 6 amps plus Munich. I understand there is a possibility to hear with new electronics now that work wonders so at some point in the future hope to listen.
Room sensitive because this design wasn’t made for indoor use!

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Ok. Interesting about the Mayer 46. I have not heard that amp but own a ~diy 46 and have heard Mayer 300b and would think his 46 to be a great match. Maybe the impedance curve is tough on the Pnoe?

Interesting you have a DIY 46. How many watts is it
 
Interesting you have a DIY 46. How many watts is it
Never tested it. And I did not build it, was made by Sayes out of repurposed Tamura iron. Never said its on the Mayer level but it does a lot of nice things. I suppose its 1w...
 
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I picked it to go with my own diy 'aikido meets silvercore' phono as it ( 5842 into 46 ) doesn't need a lot of gain and I wanted a phono-passive-amp arrangement for my slow build non commercial system
 
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I picked it to go with my own diy 'akido meets silvercore' phono as it ( 5842 into 46 ) doesn't need a lot of gain and I wanted a phono-passive-amp arrangement for my slow build non commercial system

Silvercore phono is voiced on SPUs. He can probably do what is required adding more silver etc and customise. However, the 46 is a super nuanced agile valve, at least the Mayer amp. So basic Silvercore phono, especially if you are using his DIY kit, will hold back what downstream is capable of. I found Silvercore phono better than the thoress in a direct shootout

Also both have very different sound and design philosophies. Mayer is a lot of iron, silvercore doesn't like a lot of iron. Silvercore amps are more SPU like with bigger valves and more power and Mayer amps are smaller valves and are extremely agile and transparent amongst those I have heard. Both can do various valves, though SIlvercore staple is 833c. His huge Eimac is excellent though expensive but otherwise not easy to get 80 watts of SET power.

All in all, teaming those different philosophies in the same chain not such a good idea.
 
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I get what you are saying. The phono uses Silvercore sut ( copper ) and lcr modules ( silver alloy ) from back when you could buy parts from him but the rest of the circuit is a kit from John Broskie ;)
 
Let’s get serious here Ked those speakers are a plastic pipe with a driver stuck at one end, what setup:)?

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David, I've heard the Pnoes twice, tbh I told Ked at the time that I was left cold after such a big build up. Nice on piano £00s half century old lp.
But we played Can "Vitamin D", and music that needed to feel grounded and secure failed strikingly here. My Zus at home made a greater fist of Can, even if they couldn't replicate the some of the strengths of Pnoes on piano.
Maybe you need to be smoking something in your pipe to get the most of rock or bass heavy material on these Lol.
 
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Entire Dvorak Cello Concerto, Fournier Szell. This guy is posting entire pieces. To paraphrase DaveyF's post on its 3rd year anniversary, prepare to sell your speakers and listen to concerts on this guy's youtube videos streamed to your Sonos

 
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