Coronavirus ...

[wisnon]

Tang, you are quite right it goes without saying. This is a time when we put our priorities in order, human .

As I said earlier... millions live in highly polluted Chinese cities and also in polluted cities elsewhere. This outbreak is the least of worries for such people when 3 to 17m people die from Pneumonia anually in China. Covid-19 numbers are a joke in comparison. Making human health a priority would mean radical changes that the ones in charge are nowhere near likely to approve.

 

[Tango]

Can you please bookmark this statement. Too often hyperbolic predictions are made and then "forgotten" until next time when they are trotted out again.

This extreme fear mongering in the face of recent history: SARS/MERS/BIRD FLU/SWINE FLU, etc is getting old. Based on normal flu patterns, flus dont survive the Summer montbs when vitamin D3 production via sunlight on the skin is very high. Vit D inhibits viral replication.

Furthermore, we focus on the wrong targets. According to PLOS, between 2.8m and 17m people a year die from pneumonia in China alone!!!.No panic there but global angst over 2,000 dead from a sexily named disease whose cause is confusing, if not even conflated with other causes of dwath in an extremely polluted city.

PLoS is a peer reviewed entity....the Public Library of Science.... plos.org

Maybe this Covid-19 is not deadly enough for you Wisnon. But for a 85 years old mother, 5 yr old boy and a 2 months old baby, this easy to spread virus that is more lethal to them is of great concern to their close ones. Shall people and their governments take it easy on them and don't take strong preventive measures, it will get to your environment. Panic? Never panic not even with fire. Serious about prevention? Yes. Everyone should be.

 

[wisnon]

All flus require attention. My grandfather at 86 was killed by the flu.

My point is that 3 to 17m a year die from pneumonia in China annually and not a whisper from the authorities!

The Flu since 2010 in the US has killed between 12k and 61k annually and this is pure flu without concommitant diseases.

Tang, I am 100% concerned about this as I am about regular flu, which is a silent killer. Indeed, regular flu will likely kill more people than covid19 this year....even as the number of deaths will fall due to the covid19 press coverage and people taking more precaution about washing hands and travelling.

Note that people have been getting flus this season ... I know of many kids with 40c fevers and parents who later caught the same infections.

Anyway, I share your concern for your family. No flu is a walk in the park nor riskless. So prevention is best practice and I wish you and me and all here the best of luck in navigating this infectious period.

 

[Ron Resnick]

May I ask a very basic question of our doctors or infectious disease specialists here?

Unless one is very old or very young or already sick and infirm why would a flu be fatal?

 

[Vienna]

May I ask a very basic question of our doctors or infectious disease specialists here?

Unless one is very old or very young or already sick and infirm why would a flu be fatal?

No it’s not always fatal Ron. An associate based in China, recovered after three weeks. He is a strong athletic 44 years old individual

 

[Ron Resnick]

I understand it is not always fatal. But unless one is very old or very young or already sick and infirm why would a flu ever be fatal?

 

[wisnon]

May I ask a very basic question of our doctors or infectious disease specialists here?

Unless one is very old or very young or already sick and infirm why would a flu be fatal?

Very weak immune system or overworked immune system, a person who is very run down and the initial flu develops into pneumonia. Also, certain concomittant diseases in association with the flu could also prove fatal without quality medical interventions.

Note that the press talks about a 1 to 2 percent death rate in Hubei. This means
98 out of 100 infected people recover. Even more outside Hubei where the death rate is like regular flu where 998 out of 1,000 people infected recover so far.

Old and very young often have weak/under-developed immune systems.

 

[wisnon]

I understand it is not always fatal. But unless one is very old or very young or already sick and infirm why would a flu ever be fatal?

Like with haemorragic fevers, one cant try to "push" thru it. One needs to have ptoper rest and hydration and in case pneumonia develops, proper supportive medical care...ie drips, oxygen breathing machines etc.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Thank you, gentlemen.

What do you make of these reports that the mode of virus transmission is not fully understood, and that that explains why there are clusters of infections without easily traceable origins?

 

[NorthStar]

Flu hardly makes the news, but this new COVID-2019 is making the news daily, not just in China but globally. To underestimate it is like being blinded. Even the experts don't have all the data, and there is no vaccine. But it's making the news every day across the planet.

Comes Summer time I sure hope the clear sun, unblocked by clouds of smog, will kill this virus once and for all.

We all know people die everyday from car accidents, heart failures, cancer, air pollution, contaminated water, chemical products, bad processed food, gas exhaustion, etc.
But they all are hardly making the news, except for natural disasters, hurricanes, volcanoes, ice melting, water rising, forest fires, planet warming, CO2, Tesla, oil tension, ...all that stuff.

COVID-19 doesn't look like your normal flu or natural disaster or tsunami or nuclear reactor accident. The transmission from human to human, the biological aspect, the rate, the news, the WHO, the health expert scientists, ... all show a mortal enemy that all of us need to be aware of.
Yes, wash your hands good several times a day, eat good, sleep good, work good, drink good, breathe good fresh pure clean air and water, travel safe.

 

[NorthStar]

• https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html

• https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-through-feces.html

 

[wisnon]

Thank you, gentlemen.

What do you make of these reports that the mode of virus transmission is not fully understood, and that that explains why there are clusters of infections without easily traceable origins?

My guess...conflation. Who really thinjs that the regular flu is veing differentiated from covid19 in Hubei province? Is anyone tracking those numbers?

Anyone coughing in Hubei will be presumed to have covid19 and treated accordingly.

Yesterday I scanned an article saying that in Hubei, peopke with other serious illnesses are being turned away from hospitals in favour of covid19 patients...with fatal consequences. Woe betide the persons presenting with diabetes, strokes, CVD, hemorragic fevers, bacterial infections and a litany of other serious complaints in Hubei. For me, this is a consequence of "politics in medicine".

 

[NorthStar]

• https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

• https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

[RogerD]

5 cases confirmed in our local town now..

That is troubling if it is the UK where Western
sanitation practices and standards are observed.
I’m surprised that San Francisco and Los Angeles haven’t experienced a breakout.

 

[NorthStar]

USA ... 35 cases, 7 recoveries, 0 dead.
Canada ... 9 cases, 3 recoveries, 0 dead.

 

[RogerD]

Coronavirus prompts Verizon to pull out of huge San Francisco conference https://m.sfgate.com/cnet/article/C... (Mobile)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral via @SFGate

 

[analogsa]

An interesting coincidental exercise

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/videos.html

 

[BlueFox]

I’m surprised that San Francisco and Los Angeles haven’t experienced a breakout.

It will break loose relatively soon, and go on a rampage.

 

[NorthStar]

It will break loose relatively soon, and go on a rampage.

We sure hope not, and same for Canada.
• https://globalnews.ca/news/6582525/us-coronavirus-cases/

• https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa-coronavirus/

 

[RogerD]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ea...eds-plan-for-coronavirus-quarantine-site/amp/