Coronavirus ...

[howiebrou]

Today Tinka and I wore thin rubber gloves and face masks to Whole Foods. It was interesting, as an unexpected experiment.

We discovered quickly that if this virus were a true plague occasioning certain death, then I can guarantee you that we all would soon be dead. (Well, except for the doomsday prepper couple in a remote house in rural Idaho.)

Once you're wearing gloves it becomes extremely obvious that it's impossible not to make mistakes. For example, as you approach your vehicle carrying grocery bags how do you get your car key to enter the vehicle and put the grocery bags in the car without touching (infecting) anything? We rapidly learned it is a nearly impossible puzzle.

If you put a just-contaminated gloved hand in your pocket you have just contaminated your pocket and your car key. If you take the gloves off as soon as you leave the grocery store then you have contaminated your clean hands by carrying possibly contaminated grocery bags.

I guess you could bring the grocery bags to the car. Then take off the gloves. Then disinfect your hands. Then retrieve your car key to open the car. Then put the grocery bags in the car. Then disinfect your hands again and be on your way. Then remove the bags from the car at your home. Then close the car door. STOP! Must disinfect the car door handle!

Then carry the grocery bags to your front door. Disinfect your hands to open the front door. Bring the bags in. Disinfect your hands again.

It is a viral Rubik's Cube.


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Steve, there is no need to wear gloves. You are not going to catch CV through your hands. Much better to just go barehand and wash them afterwards with soap and water. There is no way to guarantee that you don’t bring it into your home. It’s all about degrees. Wash your hands before going out so you not spreading it all over your car, get your groceries and wash your hands again. Clean surfaces at home regularly and wear a mask when you’re out. You should be fine. Oh and leave your shoes at the door. This virus loves to remain on floors. This is even more important to those who have toddlers who crawl.

 

[howiebrou]

I also leave a bottle of hand santiser in each car btw.

 

[howiebrou]

Sad but true!
But the pencil necks in charge over this pandemic aren’t even elected officials they’re bureaucrats and most are incompetent like the agencies they work for.

david

David, I would pay big bucks to see you in charge of one of those agencies! Sparks would fly!

 

[bonzo75]

Steve, there is no need to wear gloves. You are not going to catch CV through your hands. Much better to just go barehand and wash them afterwards with soap and water. There is no way to guarantee that you don’t bring it into your home. It’s all about degrees. Wash your hands before going out so you not spreading it all over your car, get your groceries and wash your hands again. Clean surfaces at home regularly and wear a mask when you’re out. You should be fine. Oh and leave your shoes at the door. This virus loves to remain on floors. This is even more important to those who have toddlers who crawl.

How do you keep wiping all surfaces

 

[KeithR]

Coronavirus kills, collapsed economy also kills. The question is which is the lesser evil.

John Stuart Mill would tell you one. Ha

 

[howiebrou]

How do you keep wiping all surfaces

If I bring something that is potentially contaminated back into the house and plonk it on my kitchen island I just give it a wipe with a surface cleaner afterwards. It only takes a few seconds. Just get it from your local tesco. Again just do what you can. We don’t have to become laboratories.

 

[Hi-FiGuy]

Self-Quarantine ...
???? https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/26270740-63A3-11EA-BBAF-956FCC553CE3

Come on Bob, relax a little and pump the brake.
That is a horrible fear inducing article, we got it its scary.
Love you but stop spreading the fear.

 

[NorthStar]

"It’s extremely unfortunate that we can’t trust the mainstream media to view the Wuhan coronavirus story through a reasonably objective lens, because with so much misinformation being spread on social media and beyond, it is so very critical for news outlets to show us for once that they can be trusted to honestly report on the latest developments regarding what’s happening." - Sister Toldjah

https://www.redstate.com/slee/2020/03/16/800327/

That's a very good point ... in the search of good videos and information from/about China and Corona to help us saving lives here in our own countries ... in the search of the truth that makes us advance all together in a better world.

 

[Hi-FiGuy]

"It’s extremely unfortunate that we can’t trust the mainstream media to view the Wuhan coronavirus story through a reasonably objective lens, because with so much misinformation being spread on social media and beyond, it is so very critical for news outlets to show us for once that they can be trusted to honestly report on the latest developments regarding what’s happening." - Sister Toldjah

https://www.redstate.com/slee/2020/03/16/800327/

100% and Bingo was his namo!

 

[NorthStar]

Come on Bob, relax a little and pump the brake.
That is a horrible fear inducing article, we got it its scary.
Love you but stop spreading the fear.

Lol Mike, it's not fear it's only a very simple article with good tips to self-quarantine.
If it couldn't help saving say just one life I wouldn't have ever bother posting it.
For you made of chrome steel not even King Kong could shake your foundations, but perhaps just maybe for somebody else it might just be the ticket the doctor order from, friend of Godzilla.

 

[Ron Resnick]

That's a very good point ... in the search of a good videos and information from China to help us saving lives ... in the search of the truth that makes us advance.

Bob, I know you mean well, but advising us to "search [for] the truth" in the "information from China" really makes me gag.

I, too, think you should stop making this thread your full-time job.

 

[bonzo75]

We are crashing as evidenced by a week not seen since 1929, keep markets open to reprice. Talk of shutting them even worse. Even after TARP we didn’t bottom for 5 months. I expect the same here.

Question is whether to treat this like a long extended weekend, where everything is shut. If businesses are shut, markets should be too. The situation one does not want is that things are back to normal in three months, but in those months due to margin calls, some funds have gone bust, affected rest of the economy, and cost jobs, only to have the others back up and operating as normal later. It is fine if they reprice due to fundamentals, but a shame if they implode purely due to panic

 

[NorthStar]

With all due respect Mike and Ron that article has very good tips.
Don't criticize the poster discuss the article...thank you very much.

And yes Ron, there are some very good YouTube videos from young people living in China showing how they keep safe inside their apartments. It's time for me to post some because many of us are going to benefit from them. I posted one before but I've watched few and I should have posted them. Now is the right time.

China might not be the first country when it comes to human rights and honesty but they have qualities we can learn from, like right now.

In time we find the truth that accommodates us all living on the exact same planet but different regions and cultures. It is by not impeding and imposing our cultures to others, by not propagating any viruses of any kind that we can better live together in respect and in harmony of life celebration every day for us all children of tomorrow.

 

[NorthStar]

And I highly recommend watching the Academy Award Oscar winner 2020 Documentary ...

 

[NorthStar]

? https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-51858226/coronavirus-life-inside-china-s-lockdown

 

[NorthStar]

 

[NorthStar]

One benefit ... our planet ...
? https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/asia/china-pollution-coronavirus-hnk-intl/index.html

 

[NorthStar]

The outbreak in the US can last till July-August...I've just heard.

"This is not a setback or a difficulty for the economy to overcome. It's an all-out attack on our way of life by a microbe. This is Pearl Harbor. This is 9/11. But the enemy is totally invisible."

Millennials -- In particular, Dr. Deborah Birx, the coronavirus task force coordinator, appealed to millennials, telling the largest current generation of Americans that they need to shield older generations more susceptible to the virus. "We now need to appeal to every single American so that they can have their role in stopping this virus," she said, before singling out millennials as the "core group who can stop this virus" by avoiding public contact.

A history of sacrifice -- Americans were called on to serve and work in the national interest when the country mobilized for the war effort in World War II.

Americans turned against service in Vietnam when the cost became too great. More recently, after 9/11, they were asked to go out and buy things to prop up a flailing economy.

They're not asked to do much anymore. But now, with a global pandemic threatening older Americans, fighting the enemy requires a collective isolation from generations that have social hard-wired into their DNA. "We've always heard about the Greatest Generation," Birx said. "We're protecting the Greatest Generation right now and the children of the Greatest Generation." (Yes, that would be the boomers, of which Birx is one.)

Recommendations, not mandates:

-- If you feel sick, stay home and call your doctor.
-- If you're older, stay home and away from people.
-- Stay away from bars, restaurants and food courts.
-- Avoid discretionary travel or social gatherings.
-- Avoid social gatherings in groups of 10 or more.
-- Close schools.
-- Cancel all social visits in homes.
-- Do not visit nursing homes or retirement communities.

Read them all.
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Not overreaction

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease doctor, dismissed the idea that these new guidelines are over the top during the White House briefing:

It will always seem that the best way to address it were to be doing something that looks like it might be an overreaction. It isn't an overreaction, it's a reaction that we feel is commensurate, what is actually going on in reality.

So take a look at the guidelines, read them carefully and we hope that the people of the United States will take them very seriously, because they will fail if people don't adhere to them. We have to have -- as a whole country -- cooperate and collaborate to make sure these get done.
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More than half of US jobs are at risk.

From Isidore's story:

Nearly 80 million jobs in the US economy are at high or moderate risk today, according to analysis in the last week from Moody's Analytics. That's more than half of the 153 million jobs in the economy overall.

That doesn't mean that all those jobs will be lost. But it's probable that as many as 10 million of those workers could see some impact to their paychecks -- either layoffs, furloughs, fewer hours or wage cuts, said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics.

Of those 80 million jobs, Moody's Analytics projects that 27 million are at high risk due to the virus, primarily in transportation and travel, leisure and hospitality, temporary help services, and oil drilling and extraction. Maybe 20% of those workers, comprising about 5 million jobs, will be affected, Zandi said.

 

[BlueFox]

Bob. Get some rest.

 

[bonzo75]