DSD to Vinyl Versus Analog Tape to Vinyl

If you have a good set of heads, a 1/2" machine running 15ips can do 26KHz. 30 IPS can do better than that, although bass is a problem. I agree that if there is a rolloff, tape can be one of the reasons however. A few dubs down the road is all it takes!

Not really trying to play chess here, just pointing out facts. One of those latter thingys is that most LPs cut today are cut from digital masters. Its pretty rare these days to see a project that was done all analog!

You have skirted all around my observation and theory:

My personal observation is that the difference between the “analog” and “digital” sound reside in their high-frequency contours, where digital playback is able to preserve and reproduce more high frequency content and details than analog, where these fine extended high frequency content is often ”consumed” by the stamping process of the medium, the mechanical to electrical and magnetic transducers‘ conversions that take place before the analog signal gets to the amplification stages. Ironically, the same degradation or “consumption” of these high frequency low level details get ”consumed” in real life during live unamplified performances through distance, from the source by natural absorption, diffusion and native instrument directivity profiles. In other words, analog may mimic the “real-time” live listening experience more accurately of sound through distance, from the source signal degradations, where as digital is more accurate and preserves the original source signal as captured by the local or localized acquisition microphones.

Why don’t you just address it directly? I feel very strongly that what I have observed accounts mostly for the differences. Care to concur with it or counter it?
 
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Whether you accept it or not is a different matter, but I did address your comment directly.

Then we shall leave it at that Ralph. See you on the next conversation.
 
At the end of the day vinyl beats digital. Check mate :p
I wouldn't make that assumption!

The only real conclusion you can reach is that back in the 80s, digital wasn't perfect and it wasn't forever. If that were true there would never be any push for higher scan frequencies and word length.
 
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I wouldn't make that assumption!

The only real conclusion you can reach is that back in the 80s, digital wasn't perfect and it wasn't forever. If that were true there would never be any push for higher scan frequencies and word length.
Im not assuming. I’m listening. Intently.
I don’t know why. It just does
A guy close to Mr Lampo with his ultra spec streamer was prepared to concede his highest performance digital set up still didn’t ‘sound’ as good as my vinyl playback and that he hadn’t yet heard a decent vinyl set up outperformed. Not saying that’s conclusive evidence but good enough I feel.
 
Im not assuming. I’m listening. Intently.
I don’t know why. It just does
A guy close to Mr Lampo with his ultra spec streamer was prepared to concede his highest performance digital set up still didn’t ‘sound’ as good as my vinyl playback and that he hadn’t yet heard a decent vinyl set up outperformed. Not saying that’s conclusive evidence but good enough I feel.

Life is very ironic. Some many years back an infamous audiophile used to take great pride in saying that going to digital was “dumbing it down” and as it turns out, you actually now have to “dumb down” digital with tubes, magnetic-tape, capacitors, inductors or transformers for it to sound more analog. Life sure has a way of bitting some in the ass.
 
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Life is very ironic. Some many years back an infamous audiophile used to take great pride in saying that going to digital was “dumbing it down” and as it turns out, you actually now have to “dumb down” digital with tubes, magnetic-tape, capacitors, inductors or transformers for it to sound more analog. Life sure has a way of bitting some in the ass.
You know, people have been doing that for much longer- I'm convinced anyway that SETs became more than just a nerdy DIY project in the 90s because the harmonic distortion of the amp made up from dryness in the digital playback. This so much that we saw DACs with tube outputs using output transformers single-ended. And oil filled caps. All to get rid of that dry sound of back then.

Things have improved- vastly. I see no need to use any of that with modern digital gear.
 
You know, people have been doing that for much longer- I'm convinced anyway that SETs became more than just a nerdy DIY project in the 90s because the harmonic distortion of the amp made up from dryness in the digital playback. This so much that we saw DACs with tube outputs using output transformers single-ended. And oil filled caps. All to get rid of that dry sound of back then.

Things have improved- vastly. I see no need to use any of that with modern digital gear.
Agree with you. A famous mastering studio had a secret weapon for digital sound back then and they kept it a very tightly held secret because they believed that it gave them the edge over the competition. As it turned out I ended up buying their secret weapon………….. a pair of Western Electric 111C repeater transformers:


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I used them in one of my mastering systems for a while until I eventually found, ironically, a digital tool that I liked better. As it emulates magnetic tape:

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Then better tools were developed in the analog domain and I ended up with my favorites:


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The Rupert Neve 542 is an actual tape-head circuit design.
 
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Gyraf- cool people love what they gave back to studio diy scene too
 
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Did you ever measure the WE transformers to see what they were doing?

The WE 111C transformers are old telephone line repeater transformers and are extremely linear to the tube of +/- 0.5 dB throughout their bandwidth. It’s their bandwidth that is the secret sauce. What these transformers do is clean up the sound and make the music clearer by rolling off the high frequencies at 15 to 16 KHz and more importantly by cleaning up music by rolling off the bass and low frequency rumble at 30 Hz.

That is we’re the music resides and what the specifications were for vintage high-fidelity playback systems from 30 to 15,000 cycles per second (Hz).
 
Gyraf- cool people love what they gave back to studio diy scene too
Yes, the folks are Gyraf in Denmark are great. So is the team at Knif, in Finland, who recently ventured from mastering studio equipment to produce some audiophile gear. The HSE Audio guys in Switzerland are great also. The audiophile world is just learning about HSE Audio through their very versatile phonostage but I, and mastering engineers in top studios, have been using their mastering equalizer for well over a decade:

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The WE 111C transformers are old telephone line repeater transformers and are extremely linear to the tube of +/- 0.5 dB throughout their bandwidth. It’s their bandwidth that is the secret sauce. What these transformers do is clean up the sound and make the music clearer by rolling off the high frequencies at 15 to 16 KHz and more importantly by cleaning up music by rolling off the bass and low frequency rumble at 30 Hz.

That is we’re the music resides and what the specifications were for vintage high-fidelity playback systems from 30 to 15,000 cycles per second (Hz).
I don't get it. Are all those recording tools yours. The ones that roll off the highs and lows to clean up the music. The same highs you are saying are the reason digital is better than analog? Yet you roll is off for production to make it more pleasing to listen too??
 

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