Famous Swiss Tape Recorder Brand To Re-introduce Reel-to-Reel Analog Recorder!

[c1ferrari]

Anyone use a IV-S with QGB?
How's the W&F? I've read it's rather slow when invoking FF and rewind.

FYI: http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?7827-2014%E5%B9%B4%E5%BE%B7%E5%9C%8B%E6%85%95%E5%B0%BC%E9%BB%91High-End%E9%9F%B3%E9%9F%BF%E5%B1%95%E5%AF%A6%E6%B3%81%E5%A0%B1%E5%B0%8E-Munich-High-End-Show/page20

Scroll down to pics associated with post #192.

 

[microstrip]

I vote for rebirth of Nagra IV-S with QGB adapter for 10.5" reels.
Ki

+1! It was my original idea.

 

[Tapetech]

Personal preferences aside and brands aside, what format would have the greatest chance of commercial success? As in the most chance of turning a profit and staying available. Which is most in demand or would have the largest customer-base? Hard to say, I believe.

-portable 1/4", 2 track (10" reel capable)
-multi-track, large format (1" or 2")
-1/4", 2-track prosumer
-1/2", 2-track, pro deck

 

[c1ferrari]

Post #215...pics 5-6
http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?7827-2014%E5%B9%B4%E5%BE%B7%E5%9C%8B%E6%85%95%E5%B0%BC%E9%BB%91High-End%E9%9F%B3%E9%9F%BF%E5%B1%95%E5%AF%A6%E6%B3%81%E5%A0%B1%E5%B0%8E-Munich-High-End-Show/page22

 

[MylesBAstor]

Post #215...pics 5-6
http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?7827-2014%E5%B9%B4%E5%BE%B7%E5%9C%8B%E6%85%95%E5%B0%BC%E9%BB%91High-End%E9%9F%B3%E9%9F%BF%E5%B1%95%E5%AF%A6%E6%B3%81%E5%A0%B1%E5%B0%8E-Munich-High-End-Show/page22

That says A80 Sam.

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

I think a new Studer-produced deck would be strictly oriented for professional, studio use. Not a consumer, home-market deck. Hence my guess of an 8-track. I would prefer they build a 1/4 inch "prosumer" deck, but I don't see them making a profit off such a product.

8 track is extremely limited for studio use. Do audiophiles have any purpose for it?

Tim

 

[Tapetech]

8 track is extremely limited for studio use. Do audiophiles have any purpose for it?

Tim

The Beatles did quite well, both sonically and artistically, with 8-track (Abby Road). Most of their albums were done on 4-track decks without that much compromise. I proposed 8-track, 2" because NR is not at all needed with that format. I think if someone is to go to the trouble of reintroducing a new analog deck, it should sound really good.

We don't know yet if this new deck is targeted for audiophiles. I don't think that's a given. Could be just for recording studios.

 

[c1ferrari]

That says A80 Sam.

Yes, agreed.
1"?...Looks too wide to be 1/2"

 

[c1ferrari]

Myles,

I was wondering about the Studer in post #192, pics: 1, 4, 7, and 8.
Can anyone i.d. this deck?

 

[Tapetech]

Yes, agreed.
1"?...Looks too wide to be 1/2"

Looks like 1", 2-track. Same format TTP uses for their running masters. That's considered "ultimate analog".

Those decks you indicated may be Studer C37s (tube-electronics).

 

[Bruce B]

Myles,

I was wondering about the Studer in post #192, pics: 1, 4, 7, and 8.
Can anyone i.d. this deck?

Yeah, would love to know what they are. Seem pretty portable for a large format machine!

 

[c1ferrari]

Looks like 1", 2-track. Same format TTP uses for their running masters. That's considered "ultimate analog".

Those decks you indicated may be Studer C37s (tube-electronics).

Ah...thanks
I am utterly ignorant regarding "ultimate analog"
1/4", 1/2", and 2" RMGI SM900 seem to be readily available...don't know how common 1" tape would be
Boy, I'd like a set-up like that for remote recordings...but it's likely too massive.

Still searching for the right A810 with 2 mm headstack for location recording duty

 

[mep]

Those are some really old Studer decks in those pictures.

 

[Tapetech]

Myles,

I was wondering about the Studer in post #192, pics: 1, 4, 7, and 8.
Can anyone i.d. this deck?

Studer A62 or B62?

 

[c1ferrari]

Studer A62 or B62?

Eureka

 

[Ki Choi]

Anyone use a IV-S with QGB?
How's the W&F? I've read it's rather slow when invoking FF and rewind.

Hi Sam:

I'll have to check the manuals for your W&F data. However, I know it has one of the best limiters and with elegant servo control on QGB, it should have very low W&F numbers. Some of the most stunning Proprius label recordings were originally made with the IV-S/QGB combo such as the Jazz at the Pawnshop with Nagra Master EQ.

Without the QGB, one must have patience in fast winding modes, but I find it very usable when FF & REW tape with QGB adapter installed. Again I'll have to check the figures for actual winding time for 2400' tape when I get home.

Ki

 

[jdza]

Rethinking this in the cold light of day, I think it is Revox after all:

Fremer says a former manufacturer of pro and semi pro machines. Only Revox qualify.

The only currently active producer is Otari with a machine that is really little more than a Revox B77. That is where the small market is, not way up there. Even bottomless pit national/state broadcasters who formerly would have a Studer just to dump tape now have Otari 5050s . Just like they have Technics SL 1200s where formerly SP10s and EMTs would be.

How many Audiophiles are going to spend $100k on a tape machine? Maybe 5,all on this forum? Quite a few may go for the probably $15-20k needed for a Revox C77.

Tooling up for a B77 type machine will be much simpler than any of the old mastering machines. I'm told that one can have a brand new B77 built right now if you know where to ask. Not that that means anything. Hilpert Tonstudio can build (and service) a brand new SOTA AEG-Telefunken M21 or older design M15 at ridiculously low prices and none of us are running there.

 

[Tapetech]

Rethinking this in the cold light of day, I think it is Revox after all:
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If true, I think a re-issue of the PR-99 model may have more potential buyers: Both audiophiles and low-budget studios. It would need transport improvements, however. Both the B77 and PR99 had unregulated tape tension, which is a serious short-coming. Either quasi-regulated reel tension (like the Sonorus deck, which is based on the B77) or servo tape-tension would need to be implemented.

Big question is who is the biggest potential market for a new deck? Audiophiles or recording studios?

 

[c1ferrari]

Hi Sam:

I'll have to check the manuals for your W&F data. However, I know it has one of the best limiters and with elegant servo control on QGB, it should have very low W&F numbers. Some of the most stunning Proprius label recordings were originally made with the IV-S/QGB combo such as the Jazz at the Pawnshop with Nagra Master EQ.

Without the QGB, one must have patience in fast winding modes, but I find it very usable when FF & REW tape with QGB adapter installed. Again I'll have to check the figures for actual winding time for 2400' tape when I get home.

Ki

Thanks, Ki

A IV-S was an elegant solution for me as it featured fine mic amps; however, I was unsuccessful sourcing one in the configuration, condition, and price tier, which I preferred.
So, I moved on to a Gordon mic amp and Korg DSD recorder -- which doesn't s**k too bad as location recording goes

 

[Ki Choi]

older design M15 at ridiculously low prices and none of us are running there.

I am running two M15As, and I believe Tony has one as well. M21 would be nice...as the last Telefunken.

Good to know about Hilpert Tonstudio. Thanks. Ki