[Help] speaker , speaker placement in walless partition room

[witon]

Before upgrading a new speaker , I searched the internet and still couldnt nail down the a proper room treatment and for my apartment

Basically my apartment is 23(L) x 13(w) ft large, but only 13ft (w) x 9 ft (L) area would be used for listening, so the listening distance speaker to sofa is only 13ft, maximum speaker distance between speaker is 9 ft. one side are windows one side are walles ( dining area)
my question is
1) I am aiming to upgrade from focal n1 to sonus faber elipsa red or strad , are these speaker too large for my room
2) because I listen at night should just open the window to reduce the reflection or close the window and put heavy binders

Thank you

 

[ACHiPo]

First, welcome.

What is it you are looking for from the speaker upgrade?

You definitely have first and second reflections to deal with, and some very real limitations with good bass in that space without a lot of bass acoustic treatment which may not be practical for an apartment. You don't mention ceiling height, but that is a consideration as well.

I would recommend starting with Jim Smith's book

Get Better Sound by Jim Smith (2008) Paperback: Jim Smith: 9780982080702: Amazon.com: Books

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It is an easy read and will get you started.

You may find the Focals are quite satisfying when you get speaker placement and the room dialed in.

 

[witon]

my ceiling height is around 7.5 ft height with false ceiling
lately I start listening to classical a lot more, (e.g gary karr, ondekoza ), and want to upgrade to floorstand for a fuller sound and more musical mid. The focal n1 bookshelf is niimble I can position it to use my whole room (23 x 13 ft) when I want to have seriouis listen and put it back afterwards.

Supernatural phenomenal happened when I borrowed my friend old 3 way (quadral qlx155) and position it in the listening partition 13ft (w) x 9 ft (L) area the drums or bass is not that articulate, imaging is okay and the hanging fixture in the other side corner of the room is vibrating.
I am pretty sure I did not turn up the knob when listening and when the knob stay there at the begining it stays there until the track finishes.

So I am wondering is my room partition too small for 3 way speakers (elipsa /strad), even thought my total room size 23(L) x 13(w) ft which is large enough for 3 way speaker to breath.

 

[ACHiPo]

You're going to have difficulty getting uniform bass in that room I think. Here's a room mode calculator that shows quite a few modes that could be problematic--43 Hz, 49 Hz, 73 Hz, 75 Hz.

amroc - THE Room Mode Calculator

HTML5 room mode calculator. Read and hear the tune of axial, tangential and oblique modes. Scientific sources included.

amcoustics.com

 

[racerxnet]

my ceiling height is around 7.5 ft height with false ceiling
lately I start listening to classical a lot more, (e.g gary karr, ondekoza ), and want to upgrade to floorstand for a fuller sound and more musical mid. The focal n1 bookshelf is niimble I can position it to use my whole room (23 x 13 ft) when I want to have seriouis listen and put it back afterwards.

Supernatural phenomenal happened when I borrowed my friend old 3 way (quadral qlx155) and position it in the listening partition 13ft (w) x 9 ft (L) area the drums or bass is not that articulate, imaging is okay and the hanging fixture in the other side corner of the room is vibrating.
I am pretty sure I did not turn up the knob when listening and when the knob stay there at the begining it stays there until the track finishes.

So I am wondering is my room partition too small for 3 way speakers (elipsa /strad), even thought my total room size 23(L) x 13(w) ft which is large enough for 3 way speaker to breath.

I would suggest you go to ASR or Computer audiophile to have others help in using REW, Audiolense, Dirac ,Accourate, and other software to help measure your room response. This is not a dig at this site. You see very little new posts regarding the above and the use of DSP here.

Juice HiFi

Acourate - AudioVero

www.audiovero.de

REW room acoustics and audio device measurement and analysis software

REW is free software for room acoustic measurement, loudspeaker measurement and audio device measurement and analysis

www.roomeqwizard.com

Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum

Audio reviews, science and engineering discussions.

www.audiosciencereview.com

Audiophile Style

audiophilestyle.com

My .02

 

[racerxnet]

You're going to have difficulty getting uniform bass in that room I think. Here's a room mode calculator that shows quite a few modes that could be problematic--43 Hz, 49 Hz, 73 Hz, 75 Hz.

amroc - THE Room Mode Calculator

HTML5 room mode calculator. Read and hear the tune of axial, tangential and oblique modes. Scientific sources included.

amcoustics.com

REW has a built in room calculator and the ability to see the room response when moving the speaker position.

 

[racerxnet]

Here is a quick calculation with REW based on your usable space.

 

[witon]

I would suggest you go to ASR or Computer audiophile to have others help in using REW, Audiolense, Dirac ,Accourate, and other software to help measure your room response. This is not a dig at this site. You see very little new posts regarding the above and the use of DSP here.

Juice HiFi

Acourate - AudioVero

www.audiovero.de

REW room acoustics and audio device measurement and analysis software

REW is free software for room acoustic measurement, loudspeaker measurement and audio device measurement and analysis

www.roomeqwizard.com

Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum

Audio reviews, science and engineering discussions.

www.audiosciencereview.com

Audiophile Style

audiophilestyle.com

My .02

OKay thanks I will head their to seek more advice, thank you

 

[witon]

You're going to have difficulty getting uniform bass in that room I think. Here's a room mode calculator that shows quite a few modes that could be problematic--43 Hz, 49 Hz, 73 Hz, 75 Hz.

amroc - THE Room Mode Calculator

HTML5 room mode calculator. Read and hear the tune of axial, tangential and oblique modes. Scientific sources included.

amcoustics.com

strange that focal doesnt seem to make that many problem when positioned correctly, thanks for the link I will further serach what I can do to my room before speaker upgrade

 

[witon]

Here is a quick calculation with REW based on your usable spaceView attachment 79340.

by definition of usable shall it be 23(L) x 13(w) ft or the listening 13ft (w) x 9 ft (L) where one side is 10ft away from the wall and one side is window

 

[racerxnet]

by definition of usable shall it be 23(L) x 13(w) ft or the listening 13ft (w) x 9 ft (L) where one side is 10ft away from the wall and one side is window

I do not have the room layout to calculate and the best thing to do is download REW. It's FREE.. You don't have to have a microphone to start the software and use the Room Sim app. Start with the basics first and go from there. I can help along with others at ASR and CA.

MAK

 

[thedudeabides]

All great input but only you can decide. Good luck.

 

[Addicted to hifi]

by definition of usable shall it be 23(L) x 13(w) ft or the listening 13ft (w) x 9 ft (L) where one side is 10ft away from the wall and one side is window

Welcome Witon to wbf.