I said I would never buy another Turntable...Argh !!!

[rockitman]

You definitely don’t want to stack the Lamm pieces.
david

Most likely it will be my Pass XS pre stack and the Allnic Phono PS on top of the Herzan. Frees up 3 very important rack space shelves. Today I get my small Herzan rack over along with my UHA RTR machine. AF1 may come over tomorrow or Saturday. Unfortunately the AS2000 will be the very last to join the party....

 

[ddk]

Most likely it will be my Pass XS pre stack and the Allnic Phono PS on top of the Herzan. Frees up 3 very important rack space shelves. Today I get my small Herzan rack over along with my UHA RTR machine. AF1 may come over tomorrow or Saturday. Unfortunately the AS2000 will be the very last to join the party....

We have to get your rack up there first!

david

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Are the Vox Olympians still happening, Christian?

 

[rockitman]

Not the final position...but this is what is active isolated currently....RTR PS, Pass XS Pre. I may add the allnic tube phono PS on top of the Pass Pre. Im not sure what I am going to do about using the custom AVI table I made for the AS2000. Looks like there is no room for it in the system...

 

[dminches]

How many pounds can the TS-140 handle?

 

[rockitman]

Are the Vox Olympians still happening, Christian?

I have a problem with spending that much money for a loudspeaker...as beautiful and good sounding as it is. I’m not sure I’m a horn guy based on my affinity for Classic Rock and Pop. While Classical usually occupies 70% of the listening time, I need my loud 70’s rock and pop fix every now and then. It is because of this, the Lamm ML3’s will not be in the house with dynamic cone speakers. I think the Lamms will run out of gas with my current Wilson X-2 series 2 speakers. Maybe I will upgrade to XLF down the road. I would consider Chronosonics on the used market for say 50% off msrp

 

[rockitman]

How many pounds can the TS-140 handle?

I have the heavy spring option so you need at least 100lbs preload just to use it. 400lbs total

 

[dminches]

I have a problem with spending that much money for a loudspeaker...as beautiful and good sounding as it is. I’m not sure I’m a horn guy based on my affinity for Classic Rock and Pop. While Classical usually occupies 70% of the listening time, I need my loud 70’s rock and pop fix every now and then. It is because of this, the Lamm ML3’s will not be in the house with dynamic cone speakers. I think the Lamms will run out of gas with my current Wilson X-2 series 2 speakers. Maybe I will upgrade to XLF down the road. I would consider Chronosonics on the used market for say 50% off msrp

There is no way you can be listening to the Dead with horns. Nope.

 

[rockitman]

There is no way you can be listening to the Dead with horns. Nope.

Really ? That seals the no horn deal....

 

[jeff1225]

The Dead liked listening to the Dead on horns. This continued conversation that rock doesn't work on horn systems is so wrong it's comical.

 

[PeterA]

If you replace the glass/doors with safety glass then you won’t need curtains to listen. I know people will say otherwise but they’re wrong. Unless you have treatment up the wall always reflects, but usually its a positive thing that adds 3d sound - as long as the speakers are not too close as the delay must be long enough not to smear.

The problem with windows is they sound bad when reflecting, not because the reflect. Safety glass dampens ringing so you actually get one of the best quality reflections outside of wood.

Excellent comment. Folsom, by "safety" glass are you referring to tempered glass or laminated glass, or either?

I replaced six window sashes in my 1790s house. The Historic District Commission mandated true divided lights, 6 over 6 to match the existing windows of the house. I could not use double paned/insulated glass windows, so I opted for very thick laminated glass, in true divided 6/6 double hung sashes. The lower sash is very heavy to lift, but indeed, the glass is damped. I do have wooden slat louvers over the openings and I play with the angles of the louvers, but the thick laminated glass does cut out a lot of exterior noise and I do not have a bright reflective sound from the glass.

Someone recommended tempered glass but after the fact, so I have not tried that.

 

[Folsom]

Safety glass is laminated. Two layers of glass and a special prestine plastic/polymer/something (maybe I will google it later). That middle layer is a constrained layer. So sound mostly reflects, and the glass cannot act like a secondary speaker. If you think about double/triple pain the glass is a speaker and the inner chamber is the box.

If large skyscrapers didn’t have this type of glass it would be impossible to talk inside of them due to wind noise. Also, when people break them in movies it’s obviously extremely fake because even when they shatter, they hold together. They’re basically a cheaper bullet proof glass as far as office chairs are concerned.

 

[microstrip]

Safety glass is laminated. Two layers of glass and a special prestine plastic/polymer/something (maybe I will google it later). That middle layer is a constrained layer. So sound mostly reflects, and the glass cannot act like a secondary speaker. If you think about double/triple pain the glass is a speaker and the inner chamber is the box.

If large skyscrapers didn’t have this type of glass it would be impossible to talk inside of them due to wind noise. Also, when people break them in movies it’s obviously extremely fake because even when they shatter, they hold together. They’re basically a cheaper bullet proof glass as far as office chairs are concerned.

This type of glass was used it in my house mainly for antitheft purposes - it takes more time and work to break such a window than common glass. Knocking it sounds quit different from typical simple glass panels - a muffled sound. A good thing it improves sound quality!

 

[dminches]

The Dead liked listening to the Dead on horns. This continued conversation that rock doesn't work on horn systems is so wrong it's comical.
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First, my comment was said tongue in cheek. Second, no one said you can’t , but I it isn’t better than conventional drivers. JMO, of course.

 

[jeff1225]

First, my comment was said tongue in cheek. Second, no one said you can’t , but I it isn’t better than conventional drivers. JMO, of course.

There are a lot of comments on this forum stating that horns don't work for rock, I can point to 30 odd examples over the last year.

 

[dminches]

There are a lot of comments on this forum stating that horns don't work for rock, I can point to 30 odd examples over the last year.

None were said by me. Good speakers are good speakers.

 

[rockitman]

I would hope horns can play rock. The question is, can they reproduce electrified music as well as dynamic speakers ?

 

[asiufy]

Count me on the field that classic rock is AWESOME on good horns. I had many a fun evening in the store, with our Avantgardes, blasting my cherished 70s prog
In my layman understanding, classic rock benefits from the immediacy that the horns bring. So, even though the recordings are not necessarily dynamic (like most classical and/or jazz), the jump factor will be quite high, given the high sensitivity and the way the horns project sound into the room.
That's why I recommended horns to Marc as well!

 

[Folsom]

I would hope horns can play rock. The question is, can they reproduce electrified music as well as dynamic speakers ?

Here’s the thing, what horns? Most of the expesnive horns are designed for simply increasing SPL. They measure a little more linear because they are such low excursion, but they are not proper and not in accordance with what the wave actually needs on the way out. That’s why rock and vocals sound funny, because the pattern of sound existing isn’t natural, just directed for more SPL.

If you want to hear actual horns working correctly I suggest trying ones made for constant directivity over SPL. They often get enough of a boost that there’s still benefits. Buy a pair of Gedlee speakers and have a listen. They’re cheap. From there exploration will probably be better. I think the Danley clones are on their way... the audiophile version if you will. Those may be rather interesting hornesque speakers to try.

At least so long as you desire rock n roll, I would explore this dorection. Its hard to argue with the power of horns on orchestral stuff, when SPL, jump, etc are big concerns. I would say that gear with better memory distortion does well for that stuff... The biggest fight is the compression from the albums, which big spl horns work to over compensate for rather well.

 

[KeithR]

Ya, horns on rock are totally right on.

My favorite show demo of all time had The Wall played at the end of a Trios w/ basshorns session: standing ovation!