Krell Saga

[mep]

My electrician showed up today and my 20 A dedicated circuit is now installed. No further word from Krell yet.

 

[RBFC]

My electrician showed up today and my 20 A dedicated circuit is now installed. No further word from Krell yet.

Probably should have mentioned it before the install was complete, but did the electrician wave the magic babinga wood wand clockwise or counter clockwise over the outlet before he hooked up the wires? Improves soundstaging if he went against the current of the Van Allen radiation belt.

Lee

 

[mep]

No babinga wand was waved, but I did plug in my Fluke 77 DVM and made sure the outlet was hot before they left. I'm ready for when the KSA-250 makes it way back to me. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Steve williams]

What size Romex did he use Mark

 

[mep]

12/2 with ground. Electricians don't understand audiophile babble. They only know what size wire you have to use in order to pass 20 amps of current continuously. A larger wire is not going to pass more current than the breaker will allow to pass.

 

[fas42]

12/2 with ground. Electricians don't understand audiophile babble. They only know what size wire you have to use in order to pass 20 amps of current continuously. A larger wire is not going to pass more current than the breaker will allow to pass.

Not quite true. The breaker will allow quite vicious spikes of current to flow if the equipment demands it, like starting current draws on industrial type equipment. And big amplifiers draw very nasty pulses of current from the mains if they are pumping out some solid bass lines. So then the thickness and configuration of the wire, and hence its impedance does make a difference -- everything matters ...

Frank

 

[MylesBAstor]

No babinga wand was waved, but I did plug in my Fluke 77 DVM and made sure the outlet was hot before they left. I'm ready for when the KSA-250 makes it way back to me. I'm looking forward to it.

I also use one of those $5 Sears polarity checkers to make sure they wired the outlets correctly. Never know. Mine were fine.

Some tips that were shared with me by Jim Weill of Sound Applications:

Audiophiles might be advised to hire an electrician (and insist on the following) and have them check that the AC lines running to their equipment is on the same leg - otherwise the power transformers will be 180 degrees out of phase and as a result, can increase the noise floor and produce ground loop hum. Another might be for the electrician to measure the power factor on the two legs and select the better of the two. Finally, the electrician can clean the connections and retorque them.

 

[fas42]

Finally, the electrician can clean the connections and retorque them.

Yes, the dreaded tweaking disease can infect all sorts of areas. Just be careful it doesn't spread out too far ...

Frank

 

[RBFC]

. Finally, the electrician can clean the connections and retorque them.

This can actually be a good move. The attention paid to standard electrical panel connections is nowhere near the level of care taken with audio connectors. I haven't seen too many gold-plated compression-fit breaker panels in typical installations!

Lee

 

[Steve williams]

I also use one of those $5 Sears polarity checkers to make sure they wired the outlets correctly. Never know. Mine were fine.

Some tips that were shared with me by Jim Weill of Sound Applications:

Audiophiles might be advised to hire an electrician (and insist on the following) and have them check that the AC lines running to their equipment is on the same leg - otherwise the power transformers will be 180 degrees out of phase and as a result, can increase the noise floor and produce ground loop hum. Another might be for the electrician to measure the power factor on the two legs and select the better of the two. Finally, the electrician can clean the connections and retorque them.

Good advice Myles

I'll go you one better. Jim Weil wired all of the AC outlets of my dedicated lines.

 

[MylesBAstor]

Good advice Myles

I'll go you one better. Jim Weil wired all of the AC outlets of my dedicated lines.

Guess living in the SF area has its benefits

 

[mep]

I also use one of those $5 Sears polarity checkers to make sure they wired the outlets correctly. Never know. Mine were fine.

Some tips that were shared with me by Jim Weill of Sound Applications:

Audiophiles might be advised to hire an electrician (and insist on the following) and have them check that the AC lines running to their equipment is on the same leg - otherwise the power transformers will be 180 degrees out of phase and as a result, can increase the noise floor and produce ground loop hum. Another might be for the electrician to measure the power factor on the two legs and select the better of the two. Finally, the electrician can clean the connections and retorque them.

I forgot that I have one of those circuit pecker checkers. I just checked it and it's wired correctly.

 

[mep]

My KBL is repaired and is in "sound check." I should have the repair quote for the KSA-250 tomorrow. I ordered the Adona amp rack for the KSA-250 on Monday. Steve was probably right, both pieces will probably be shipped while we are at the RMAF.

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

My KBL is repaired and is in "sound check." I should have the repair quote for the KSA-250 tomorrow. I ordered the Adona amp rack for the KSA-250 on Monday. Steve was probably right, both pieces will probably be shipped while we are at the RMAF.

...and should be waiting for you when you get back .

Tim

 

[mep]

I just received my invoice from Krell for the KSA-250. It's going to cost $1299.00 to repair. I know the KBL is repaired so hopefully I will be turning the corner on this part of the journey.

 

[Orb]

Similar price to the KSA-50 I mentioned that was rebuilt for a Hifi News article and looking back at classics to review.
BTW the conclusion was the money was well spent, so looking forward to your own experience with the KSA-250
Cheers
Orb

 

[RBFC]

I know you'll be happy with the results, Mark.

Lee

 

[MylesBAstor]

I just received my invoice from Krell for the KSA-250. It's going to cost $1299.00 to repair. I know the KBL is repaired so hopefully I will be turning the corner on this part of the journey.

Is that just for repairs or does the price also include updating?

 

[Steve williams]

IIRC Krell always updates but it has been a while since I had Krell and new ownership

 

[mep]

Is that just for repairs or does the price also include updating?

Myles-Depends on what you call updating. They are replacing 56 capacitors, 4 resistors, and 4 relays. I would consider the replacement of the caps to be updating.