I have the 2504 plat in now. I think back to mesh 2004 might be better for 360. Need an adapter to try though. Maybe you can try and let us know in the meantime.
Lampizator Horizon360 - Broadening Our Musical Horizons
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I doubt that swapping recti will bring desired changes - maybe slight ones but major change comes from double triode position - again IMHO
I agree. That’s why the c3gs was the most dynamic my system ever was
For sure the triodes will make the bigger impact if your attempting to dial "things" back. The rectifier will contribute, 2004/2504 big difference in my system. H1, I never changed the 2504, lately I seldom use it...
I no longer have a 12S server or SACD or I would. Get flys out of nose
With an all tube rig I can definitely understand why the c3gs would fit in so nicely...
Quick update to the above.Excellent interview Ron. Great questions and always informative to learn from Lukasz and listen to someone so passionate about their audio pursuit. He is one of the most inspirational.
Updated sound comparison original Horizon vs 360 upgrade
Received the Horizon 360 upgrade early last week from Poland (I had sent back my second Horizon w/ XDMI to be upgraded to 360). As I mentioned, the shipment process was flawless and as always customer service and communication put me at ease throughout. Special thanks to Fred for monitoring my shipment to and from pretty much daily.
Upon receipt early last week, I quickly inserted the Horizon 360 back in my system. As it had been 5 weeks, as I had been out of town, I really could not tell how things were sounding in comparison.
Fast forward 9 days and 200 hours of break-in, I listened for 3 hours this evening. Nothing else has changed in my system in the interim (including tubes, and yes, i run balanced and pentodes do not all need to be the same) and I can unequivocally say that listening, via USB, is a component upgrade-like boost in sound quality. Every song now has the sound signature I have grown to love from Lampizator at an additional order of magnitude - now with increased density, liquidity, spatial rendition, and effortless rhythm. I also believe I hear additional resolution, but as my system already is tilted toward high resolution, I do not focus on that as much anymore. Most importantly, I feel like I can let my shoulders relax, lean back and sink into my chair.
I can definitely give a full throated endorsement if folks are considering the upgrade, especially utilizing USB. I am hoping the 360 upgrade also has side benefits versus the '2nd version' of the Horizon that offered XDMI but was not the 360, for use with the Olympus. I had sent my second Horizon with XDMI in for the 360 upgrade.
As previously mentioned, the 360 Horizon I received last week is a 5volt version vs the initial 9volt version release of the 360. In fact, I am listening at full 63 volume on the Horizon as I always have, but an additional 2 or 3 higher clicks of volume on my Soulution 725 preamp with the 360 versus the original version. I want to bump the volume up even more as the sound is so effortless and engaging.
Thanks again to the Lampizator team. Incredible. Also love the 20 year upgrade path and recycling efforts you all have underway. Back to listening. Take care all.
It sounds like there have been a few reports of revisiting tube combinations in the Horizon 360 compared to H1. I am happy to report, after rerolling (80 tubes) here, that the combo (cg3s x 4, mix of Bendix and RS 1003s on pentodes, and either Telefunken RGN 2004 or Valvo 2504) that sounded best to me in H1 remains the best in Horizon 360. As mentioned, I do have a 5volt version of the 360, not the initial 9v. I am not sure if that is the reason I like the same (understanding SteveW likes his same combo w/ the 9v version). Regardless, really pleased I settled on the same (although I do have a new set of pentodes and rectifier on order
, trying to distract during the wait for the Olympus and I/O).As an aside, the transition from the Soulution 725 to the 727 has been seamless with the 360 as well regarding tubes and gain. And, damn, yes, it is a nice upgrade.
Anyway, hope everyone is doing well and happy pre-TDay eve for those that celebrate
As for revisiting tube kits with the H360 I seem to remember Lukasz posting here that there was no change in his tube choices going from H1 to H360
Not sure Steve that has some relevance to the rollers as Lukasz is listening, I would say mainly with the 'stock" tubes he has, and he delivers the DAC with...
Seeing that Steve has an all Tube rig, I'm not very surprised that his 9v version 360 responds so well. In my situation with such a powerful amp like the Mephisto the same tubes I used in the H1 DON'T translate the same...I absolutely hated the RS 1003's, this go's to show how tubes differ sonically system to system...Quick update to the above.
It sounds like there have been a few reports of revisiting tube combinations in the Horizon 360 compared to H1. I am happy to report, after rerolling (80 tubes) here, that the combo (cg3s x 4, mix of Bendix and RS 1003s on pentodes, and either Telefunken RGN 2004 or Valvo 2504) that sounded best to me in H1 remains the best in Horizon 360. As mentioned, I do have a 5volt version of the 360, not the initial 9v. I am not sure if that is the reason I like the same (understanding SteveW likes his same combo w/ the 9v version). Regardless, really pleased I settled on the same (although I do have a new set of pentodes and rectifier on order
As an aside, the transition from the Soulution 725 to the 727 has been seamless with the 360 as well regarding tubes and gain. And, damn, yes, it is a nice upgrade.
Anyway, hope everyone is doing well and happy pre-TDay eve for those that celebrate
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well if everyone with the 360 has the 5 volt version is there a reason to switch. I have the 9 volt version and perhaps johnT has it correct with why I didn't feel the need to switch
With my amp it becomes a little more complex. Actually a lot more. I have 3 bias levels. low/medium/high. Depending on your volume level determines medium or high. Used correctly one can always utilize pure Class A instead of AB. I know these db levels because Gryphon has a Green Bias cable that can be used, so it automatically switches to high. With the H1 seldom did I need to go into high bias. Now By having to attenuate down on the 360 and up on my new Solution I'm forced to use high bias if I want all Class A. Depending on your pre/amp 9v can work out even better especially running SE. I know of guys who want even more voltage than 9v with their setup...
You will still get a wow but not a WOW!!
Nothing wrong with stock tubes. Tube selection is system dependent for optimal results. What @Golum (point he was making) was it sometimes takes a little time to find what floats your boat. What works in one system doesn't universally translate...
Your a Hard Core! First 100 hours or so I "attempt" to use only stock, I ultimately fail!
It’s hard to swallow the Bud Light when you know a Belgian Trippel is up next.
I just rolled out a pair of Sofia drivers for a pair of 1953 Brimars in my amp. Kind of the same thing. The world is right again.
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