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It seems just a few years ago that any North American speaker manufacturer that used silk dome tweeters was considered strictly low tech and low fi. How the fashion wheel turns!

I always liked silk dome tweeters, much less mechanical sounding and less hard "bite" in the upper midrange. However, the metal types were always seen as far more accurate.


Carl, I agree that in the last few years, many North American and in fact European manufacturers, went to the metal dome and the ring radiator or ceramic dome. The poor silk dome was considered by these same people as passé and inferior. On may occasions, I have talked to and posted my dissent with these opinions only to be dissed and ridiculed. Problem is that I knew what my ears heard and like a few others were not willing to bend to the popular opinion.
IMHO, this hobby boils down to what you hear, and what you believe is the closest to the sound of the live un-amplified musical instrument that you are trying to reproduce in your own listening environment. When I hear a better sounding product, i for one, don't care if it is the latest technology or something from years back....IF it is better then the current fave of the day, then that's what i want in my system, PERIOD.
The bright and ringing metal dome in many current high end products is to me nothing more than a kludge by the designer, or a situation wherein that same designer hasn't really done his homework, and either cannot hear what is the better technology, or is somehow bending to the popular opinion. Thank goodness it would seem that Dave Wilson, for one, has finally done his homework and "heard the light":D...
Rant over, LOL.:)
 
Ring radiators from Vifa, Scanspeak and Scanspeak's specialist subsidiary Scandesign are silk ;)

I never warmed up to Al, Be, Ti or Diamond. They always seem impressive initially but there's something about them that keeps me from connecting unless they are in a system that is meticulously set up. I know very few people that do go this extra mile. I am a ribbon type of guy but soft silk comes a close second. I'm happy I actually have both on my speakers.

-also waiting for marty's impressions
 
Ring radiators from Vifa, Scanspeak and Scanspeak's specialist subsidiary Scandesign are silk ;)

Jack, I looked at all of the ring radiators on the Scanspeak site and it doesn't appear that they are utilizing silk in their construction or design. I had a conversation with Peter Bichel Noerbaek of PBN fame a while back on this issue, and he wasn't sure what material was in many of these tweeters, but felt that it probably wasn't silk.
Besides which, I do not think that a ring radiator is the same design as a silk dome:)
 
You're right Davey, they aren't the same. Looks can be deceiving though since some ring radiators do have a small or even a large dome inside the ring instead of the usual pointy guide. If I'm not mistaken, those with rings and domes were called ring radiators and those with the bullets dual ring radiators.

Now you got me thinking if they are indeed silk or synthetic. I'll go see what I can find out :)

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The diaphragm looks to me like a RR diaphragm. It's definitely got a dome ;)
 
Frantz

Marty told me he heard the Aida recently while away. It was played with the Zanden 65 wpc amp and he said it was amazing. Needless to say I also look forward to his review.

BTW, I agree about a 2nd Velodyne as well as perhaps 1-2 other subs a well

I have not heard too many comments about the Zanden amp...the few i have heard have been positive. If Marty has any time here, i would appreciate comments in regards to the Zanden amps as well...;) lots to look forward to reading!
 
Jack, I think you will find that almost all of them are synthetic.;)

Probably so :)

To add for clarification, the term ring radiator has been dropped from the dome variants perhaps to avoid confusion. They are now called "wide surround". Going back to the Wilson. I have not seen this proportion before. It's almost definitely a custom tweeter. It's the flattest dome I ever recall seeing. The angle of Steve's pic shows this off nicely.
 
Probably so :)

To add for clarification, the term ring radiator has been dropped from the dome variants perhaps to avoid confusion. They are now called "wide surround". Going back to the Wilson. I have not seen this proportion before. It's almost definitely a custom tweeter. It's the flattest dome I ever recall seeing. The angle of Steve's pic shows this off nicely.


Jack, perhaps it is my picture but the tweeters in both the Aida and XLF they didn't look flat. Also IIRC DW always modifies drivers to meet his specs.
 
Hi Steve, I didn't mean flat but rather flatter than the typical revelator or illuminator which leads me to believe that even the diaphragm is custom built for him. Yes DW always reworks the motor structures and not just the flanges.
 
Okay :)
 
The scanspeak illuminator serie soft domes are textile they dont mention silk on the site as far as know , this one of the discovery series is a silk soft dome

http://www.scan-speak.dk/datasheet/pdf/d2606-922000.pdf


DSC_0439 by andromeda61, on Flickr

The one with the spike in the middle is illuminator series and is sold as R 3004 and is still refered to as ringradiator by scan speak
 
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Hi Steve, I didn't mean flat but rather flatter than the typical revelator or illuminator which leads me to believe that even the diaphragm is custom built for him. Yes DW always reworks the motor structures and not just the flanges.

Jack ,

Will you bet that before the end of the year we will be debating what are the best silkworms for producing the best sounding silk domes?
 

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Gosh, I hope not! Hahahahahaha!!!!!!
 

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