Magico M7 2023

[Elliot G.]

no particular question. just any relevant comments to Peter's question. since you have heard all these speakers in real systems so have an educated viewpoint we can all learn from. if nothing then no worries. we can just let Peter's question float out there.

How do I answer the question without pissing someone or everyone off?
I have listened to Alex V, XLF, Magico Q7, M6, M7 all of my models with and without subs. They were not all using the same subs , gear and rooms.
First I believe that Oliver’s subs are in a class of their own. yes I am the distributor and I own two which I use in my system. It is unequivocally the best sub I have ever used or heard and incredibly flexible to set up in an extremely wide variety of spaces . They do not make the amusical sounds that every other woofer I have used does.

I have not heard some of the speakers you mentioned but I have heard those above plus the Borrensen M3 and M6 as well.

Ok so I love the Noblesse it’s my choice and IMO it’s makes music especially with subs the way I want it too and it’s the reason I got involved with Oliver to begin with . He gets it and has the technical expertise, experience and musical background to make it happen.
The Magico M7 IMO is an excellent speaker. It’s beautifully made, stylish, well thought out in its ability to be moved around and I liked working with it. I am not totally finished with my work in my clients room as I want to push harder to get a bit more which I believe I can.
I prefer this speaker to the Wilsons I have listened to and sorry but the Borrensen s I heard as well in the same room with sane gear is not in the same league and the most expensive.
I have listened to many woofer systems like REL singles and six packs, JL in multiples and six packs.
I have heard many times Wilsons with their different woofer systems . I have not heard the Magico subs in a listening room . I don’t remember if I ever saw/ them at shows but that to me wouldn’t count.
I invite people to visit Gobel in Germany and anyone interested in experiencing it at Munich write to me and I’ll get you an invite.
The feedback I get from
Clients who purchased the subs which in most cases replaced other failed experiences is incredibly satisfying and I know in my heart that their is no better choice that I have heard .

 

[sbo6]

How do I answer the question without pissing someone or everyone off?
I have listened to Alex V, XLF, Magico Q7, M6, M7 all of my models with and without subs. They were not all using the same subs , gear and rooms.
First I believe that Oliver’s subs are in a class of their own. yes I am the distributor and I own two which I use in my system. It is unequivocally the best sub I have ever used or heard and incredibly flexible to set up in an extremely wide variety of spaces . They do not make the amusical sounds that every other woofer I have used does.

I have not heard some of the speakers you mentioned but I have heard those above plus the Borrensen M3 and M6 as well.

Ok so I love the Noblesse it’s my choice and IMO it’s makes music especially with subs the way I want it too and it’s the reason I got involved with Oliver to begin with . He gets it and has the technical expertise, experience and musical background to make it happen.
The Magico M7 IMO is an excellent speaker. It’s beautifully made, stylish, well thought out in its ability to be moved around and I liked working with it. I am not totally finished with my work in my clients room as I want to push harder to get a bit more which I believe I can.
I prefer this speaker to the Wilsons I have listened to and sorry but the Borrensen s I heard as well in the same room with sane gear is not in the same league and the most expensive.
I have listened to many woofer systems like REL singles and six packs, JL in multiples and six packs.
I have heard many times Wilsons with their different woofer systems . I have not heard the Magico subs in a listening room . I don’t remember if I ever saw/ them at shows but that to me wouldn’t count.
I invite people to visit Gobel in Germany and anyone interested in experiencing it at Munich write to me and I’ll get you an invite.
The feedback I get from
Clients who purchased the subs which in most cases replaced other failed experiences is incredibly satisfying and I know in my heart that their is no better choice that I have heard .

Thank you, very valuable IMO. I'm also curious if you ever heard the Vivid Moya.

I'd also be curious on any details about the subs you've heard. I've heard the Rel 6 pack and have 4 JLA Fathoms. They're about equal and while they certainly help with sub - bass and room mode mitigation, they are amongst the many cone drivers in a wood box. The boxes do nothing to ameliorate that rear wave. Looks like Goebel takes it to another level with their structural design. That is encouraging.

Also, why would anyone get pissed off? It's your opinion, if folks can't handle it, they can tune out.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

How do I answer the question without pissing someone or everyone off?
I have listened to Alex V, XLF, Magico Q7, M6, M7 all of my models with and without subs. They were not all using the same subs , gear and rooms.
First I believe that Oliver’s subs are in a class of their own. yes I am the distributor and I own two which I use in my system. It is unequivocally the best sub I have ever used or heard and incredibly flexible to set up in an extremely wide variety of spaces . They do not make the amusical sounds that every other woofer I have used does.

I have not heard some of the speakers you mentioned but I have heard those above plus the Borrensen M3 and M6 as well.

Ok so I love the Noblesse it’s my choice and IMO it’s makes music especially with subs the way I want it too and it’s the reason I got involved with Oliver to begin with . He gets it and has the technical expertise, experience and musical background to make it happen.
The Magico M7 IMO is an excellent speaker. It’s beautifully made, stylish, well thought out in its ability to be moved around and I liked working with it. I am not totally finished with my work in my clients room as I want to push harder to get a bit more which I believe I can.
I prefer this speaker to the Wilsons I have listened to and sorry but the Borrensen s I heard as well in the same room with sane gear is not in the same league and the most expensive.
I have listened to many woofer systems like REL singles and six packs, JL in multiples and six packs.
I have heard many times Wilsons with their different woofer systems . I have not heard the Magico subs in a listening room . I don’t remember if I ever saw/ them at shows but that to me wouldn’t count.
I invite people to visit Gobel in Germany and anyone interested in experiencing it at Munich write to me and I’ll get you an invite.
The feedback I get from
Clients who purchased the subs which in most cases replaced other failed experiences is incredibly satisfying and I know in my heart that their is no better choice that I have heard .

thank you Elliot. that is valuable info. who else has heard that many of the 'big boys' in home mature systems? people can do their own 'curve' for your commercial perspective as they wish. or not.

maybe some might have more pointed questions about those speakers for you.

 

[Elliot G.]

Thank you, very valuable IMO. I'm also curious if you ever heard the Vivid Moya.

I'd also be curious on any details about the subs you've heard. I've heard the Rel 6 pack and have 4 JLA Fathoms. They're about equal and while they certainly help with sub - bass and room mode mitigation, they are amongst the many cone drivers in a wood box. The boxes do nothing to ameliorate that rear wave. Looks like Goebel takes it to another level with their structural design. That is encouraging.

Also, why would anyone get pissed off? It's your opinion, if folks can't handle it, they can tune out.

I have not listened to that speaker . I would have only had a chance at a show and I never managed to find it.
REL 32 and previous models
JL all of the fathom series and it every combo including Gotham’s, F 212’s and F112/113’s

 

[Elliot G.]

Thank you, very valuable IMO. I'm also curious if you ever heard the Vivid Moya.

I'd also be curious on any details about the subs you've heard. I've heard the Rel 6 pack and have 4 JLA Fathoms. They're about equal and while they certainly help with sub - bass and room mode mitigation, they are amongst the many cone drivers in a wood box. The boxes do nothing to ameliorate that rear wave. Looks like Goebel takes it to another level with their structural design. That is encouraging.

Also, why would anyone get pissed off? It's your opinion, if folks can't handle it, they can tune out.

My feelings are those products which are good products introduce unnatural or a musical information into the system. These sounds to me make the subs stand out and draw attention to themselves . This is particularly noticeable to me on classical orchestral dynamic pieces. I find that for my listening to be a deal killer .
I can’t explain why only that on the Divin Sovereign the bass stays clean, fast, detailed and natural no matter what I play and at all levels. This seamless organic structure is what I hear live and what I have been looking for over many years and speakers .
One last thing the latest software on the Sovereign allows phase adjustment in one degree implements from you chair !!

 

[Elliot G.]

By the way Oliver has at any givin time the Divin Majestics with and without subs in his dedicated showroom and it’s a treat to behold. He also has Noblesse with subs like I do normally as well.
I am sitting in my new room now taking a break from wiring up the system and I should have Ethernet drops this weekend and sound will follow next week.
I would like to hear the large Lawrence Dickie creation but I don’t know anyone that owns one and as I said shows are only a snack not a meal!

 

[gleeds]

By the way Oliver has at any givin time the Divin Majestics with and without subs in his dedicated showroom and it’s a treat to behold. He also has Noblesse with subs like I do normally as well.
I am sitting in my new room now taking a break from wiring up the system and I should have Ethernet drops this weekend and sound will follow next week.
I would like to hear the large Lawrence Dickie creation but I don’t know anyone that owns one and as I said shows are only a snack not a meal!

Elliot, I experienced your subs at Bending Wave and again at CapFest. Both times I was captivated by the dynamics and naturalness of the system, one I might add few speakers rival - and seamless too!

I have not heard the Noblesse, but I eagerly look forward to this when you host the grand opening of your new store in Boca Raton. Anyone serious about hearing Oliver's interpretation of what high-end audio can achieve should journey to Elliot's before spending money on other offerings.

One subwoofer system you must hear is our Von Schweikert Shockwave series, so I hope you visit Jay's and listen to our subs with the Ultra Sevens. We often use them in the rear of troublesome rooms for analog room correction. All audiophiles should experience the improvement our woofers can make to your system when configured this way. In brief, we use our subs to flatten nodes throughout the room by equalizing standing waves. Typically, we place them at the room's rear, where this is most effective. The result is even bass pressure, better tonality, and improved definition everywhere in the listening room. Distortion across the entire frequency range is lowered because standing waves are not reflecting into the room and distripting the wave-launch of your main speakers.

Once room pressure equalization is addressed, two additional subs can be added for bass reinforcement. We offer the option of stacking our subs at the room's rear, one for use in room correction and the second for bass reinforcement. Front and rear placement also works well, and integration is easily accomplished. We recommend stereo subs when using our product for either purpose. The set-up of our subs in this manner does require a fair amount of skill and experience. Damon generally travels on location in a more extensive system for complete system tuning. Otherwise, we have several skilled installers and partners capable of performing the task.

To quote my friend Elliot - SET-UP IS EVERYTHING!

 

[Elliot G.]

Yesterday I wired up my big system in the new showroom and turned it on. I spent about 45 minutes playing with it as it was a long day and ran a long Ethernet drop along the floor to get my Wadax working. I moved the speakers and subs a little to get them in the ballpark and then just sat and listened to unwind.
I have some work to do to get it the way I want it and how I know it can sound but some observations are immediately apparent
The Divin Sovereigns never get ugly, never sound slow, heavy and distorted as IMO most woofers do.
The Noblesse sounds really good even when it is not in the perfect spot
The AMT IMO is really amazing and does not annoy me like metallic domes do.
i hope in the future that my client will get a pair of Sovereigns if he stays with the M7's as I believe this will be transformative in his system

 

[Ron Resnick]

Yesterday I wired up my big system in the new showroom and turned it on. I spent about 45 minutes playing with it as it was a long day and ran a long Ethernet drop along the floor to get my Wadax working. I moved the speakers and subs a little to get them in the ballpark and then just sat and listened to unwind.
I have some work to do to get it the way I want it and how I know it can sound but some observations are immediately apparent
The Divin Sovereigns never get ugly, never sound slow, heavy and distorted as IMO most woofers do.
The Noblesse sounds really good even when it is not in the perfect spot
The AMT IMO is really amazing and does not annoy me like metallic domes do.
i hope in the future that my client will get a pair of Sovereigns if he stays with the M7's as I believe this will be transformative in his system

Congratulations, Elliot, on getting the system set up in the new space!

 

[Kingrex]

When is the big opening party.

 

[Kingrex]

Do people wirh $10 bills get invited? Or do you have to have real money.

 

[Audiohertz2]

Real monies or high demand Minerals …!

 

[sbo6]

Yesterday I wired up my big system in the new showroom and turned it on. I spent about 45 minutes playing with it as it was a long day and ran a long Ethernet drop along the floor to get my Wadax working. I moved the speakers and subs a little to get them in the ballpark and then just sat and listened to unwind.
I have some work to do to get it the way I want it and how I know it can sound but some observations are immediately apparent
The Divin Sovereigns never get ugly, never sound slow, heavy and distorted as IMO most woofers do.
The Noblesse sounds really good even when it is not in the perfect spot
The AMT IMO is really amazing and does not annoy me like metallic domes do.
i hope in the future that my client will get a pair of Sovereigns if he stays with the M7's as I believe this will be transformative in his system

I've never heard good subs not augment a system if set up properly. Enjoy!

 

[Elliot G.]

When is the big opening party.

not for a while

 

[gleeds]

not for a while

Take your time, E. The fall sounds like a great time to host it.

 

[gleeds]

personally i have no idea as i have not heard any of these speakers in mature systems.

considering only current production models.......

@Elliot G. just did a set-up with the M7 with subs. he obviously knows the Gobels; both the Nobelesse with and without subs and the Majestic with and without subs, and Harley's room where they did the Nobelesse review had Wilson XVX's i think with subs that he heard prior to the setup of the Gobel's. so that's 4 in highly tuned rooms (not sure the M7 set-up/room is in that category?) he has heard. not just in show set-ups.

Elliot? i know you are the Gobel distributor, but any comments?

those are a few of the players around and under $500k..

there are other large box dynamic speakers like those to consider such as the new Vivid Audio Moya M1. the big Tidal LA, the big Zellaton, and others.

I'll add our Von Schweikert Audio Ultra 11s to this prestigious list. If you are interested in auditioning, contact Scott Walker Audio in Anaheim, CA. After a stint in Anaheim, the 11s will head to SWA's Dallas, TX location, so look for further notice on these pages.

Speaking of bass, the 11s include two of our 15" Shockwave subwoofers mounted in the rear, each powered by 1200-watt Foundation amplifiers. Depending on the room, we can use one sub for room bass mode cancellation and the other for producing the lowest octave with authority and excellent pitch definition. If the room allows, we use both subwoofers for low-frequency extension and may or may not add freestanding Shockwave subs in the room's rear for smoothing out room nodes.

SWA also has those on display for that purpose. A pair of Ultra 11s costs $400,000; the build takes 4-6 months.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Cant we get back on topic and let people give their opinion on the M7 .
Instead of this turning into a " dealer show " to promote their own portfolio

Any M7 comments ?
I do think magico became better integrated of the past years , i prefer the M 7 definitively over the Q 7

 

[bonzo75]

Cant we get back on topic and let people give their opinion on the M7 .
Instead of this turning into a " dealer show " to promote their own portfolio

Exactly. Like he says. Otherwise I will start posting horn videos here and it will be over for all those brands of speakers mentioned (promoted) in this thread

 

[PeterA]

Cant we get back on topic and let people give their opinion on the M7 .
Instead of this turning into a " dealer show " to promote their own portfolio

Any M7 comments ?
I do think magico became better integrated of the past years , i prefer the M 7 definitively over the Q 7

Andro, I have heard the Q7 a few times. How does the M7 sound different?

 

[Rhapsody]

All of the Magico speakers that have the latest driver compliment, including the A5, S3 (2023), S 5 (2024), M7 and M9 all are going to have greater transparency in the midrange and the mid-bass vs the Q7s or any of the Q based Magico models.

The M7s are also more relaxed and natural sounding than the Q7s but so much, like any other speaker is so room and what you are driving them with dependent, meaning that with a spectacular sounding room and well matched electronics the Q7s as Bob Vin would say " it doesn't suck".

The soundstage, if amplified properly on the M7s goes well beyond the outsides of the speakers vs the Q7s.

The Q7s had deep bass but the M7s have more textured bass if it is in the recording.

I have a pair of Q7s but they are crated so I can't do a direct comparison to my M7s but I am very familiar with both sets of speakers.